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PSA: Don't be rude on the radio
I had two recent situations where other pilots thought they'd be cool
by being condescending jackasses over the radio, which effected my ability to teach my student. The first time was when I was at a local uncontrolled field with one of my students to introduce solf-field takeoffs and landings. When we were turning downwind, I heard a Cirrus call "On the ILS at the outer marker". I haven't flown any approaches for months, so I had no idea how exactly far out he was. There were at least two other people in the pattern, so instead of asking him to give a more accurate position report, I just went on. Just before I got abeam the numbers on downwind, the Cirrus guy called 3 miles out, so I told my student to just do a short approach instead of extending which would have screwed everyone else up. I'm looking out the window like crazy to find this Cirrus guy but I don't see him anywhere. Then suddenly I hear him say in a snappy voice "Cessna on base at *** do you plan on cutting me off?" Startled, I looked around but couldn't for the life of me see him. I responded "uuhh, Cirrus on ILS I don't see you", then he snaps back sarcastically, "oh 45 seconds before impact..." I look right in front of me and there he is zooming by. I didn't realize Cirrus's were so fast. He had to have been going more than 150 knots. I've turned short approaches in front of Seminoles when they were on 3 mile ILS finals and it has never been a problem... Anyways, the guy didn't have to be such a huge asshole. A busy pattern is stressful enough, the ones coming in straight in can at least be a little helpful, or at the VERY LEAST not act like a little baby when things don't go their way. Of the 50 or so times I've been on extended downwind when someone else in on a 3-10 mile final, I'd say 10 times I went behind them and it hasn't been a problem, 35 times I've gone behind them and it hasn't been a problem, and 5 times I messed it up and either cut the person off, or caused some other disruption. The other 4 times it was just a simple "sorry about that", or some other professional way of handing the situation, then forgetting it and moving on. It just makes it that much harder to shake it off when the person decides to act that way. Maybe I need to get thicker skin, but that situation had me all worked up for the rest of the flight, and I admit it hindered my instructing ability a little. As a little side note, that same Cirrus guy came today to my home airport which is even busier. There were like 7 planes already in the pattern, 3 on 45 for the pattern, and then comes my Cirrus. I recognized it was him because I remembered the tail number (N903CD). As soon as he called, tower told him to slow to final approach speed (which I just had to snicker to myself when I heard that ^_^). About a minute later I, on an extended downwind, was told to turn base, which would have put me right in front of the Cirrus. The tower cleared me for a full stop only (which I've never been issued before, our controllers are really good at accommodating a bunch of pattern traffic), and told the Cirrus to break off and enter on the 45 for a left traffic. After I landed, I switched to ground and just called it a day. When I got back to the training room, another instructor joked about how I was "kicked out of the pattern". He asked me of I heard about the Cirrus who "got ****ed off and left". I said no but I can only imagine what he actually said... Anyways, back on topic. Also today, on another flight with another student, we were coming back on the 45 for a downwind entry. Not too long after he told me to report established on the downwind, someone's mic got stuck and all I could hear on the radio was "EEEERRRRRRCHSHH EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" punctuated with my call sign and the words "I'm not communicating with him", then some more "AAAAAAEERRRRNNNGH". I saw a plane on downwind which was about to converge with me, a helicopter which looked like was doing WHO KNOWS WHAT, and someone else on upwind about to turn crosswind. It looked like I was going to converge with the plane on downwind, so I just decided to do a 360 where I was (about a mile before entering downwind). As soon as a break in the radio screeching appeared, I quickly told tower I'm doing a 360 to avoid what by then I thought was a clueless student on a solo who didn't know how to use the radio. Well as soon as I told tower, a voice came on saying "..and that will put you right in front of 64 Delta" (or whatever his tail number was). Apparently there was a plane behind me, but I had no idea. Buy anyways, he had to do a evasive maneuver also, and he was ticked off. He came back on and told tower he had to do an evasive to avoid "the kamikaze" as he called me. Well guess what, bub? I had to do an evasive maneuver too. Thats an everyday thing 'round these parts. There are two busy flight schools, as well as a lot of military activity (a C-130 comes here a few times a week to do touch and goes, gives us a lot of wake turbulence avoidance practice ^_^). I had to fly a downwind parallel to him and then follow him in. I couldn't let my student do the flying because it was an atypical situation. AND I had to do all this while I'm getting name-called by some tard out of no-where. It just makes things that much more frustrating. So please, don't be a jackass show off on the radio. I actually saw the second guy climb out his plane after we landed. I saw he had what looked like his wife in there with him. I imagine he was acting like that to show off in front of his wife *rolleyes*. Anyways, just please be mindful of others, especially considering the environment your in (busy airspace; emergency in the area; whatever it may be). Just be aware that those snappy one liners may make you look cool, but they just make others frustrated and more life more difficult. I know this post is getting long, but theres one more instance I want to bring up. When I was getting my multi rating a few months ago, we went to a towered airport a few miles away to do a few ILS/VOR approaches. While we were doing the procedure turns and stuff, we could hear this clueless student pilot entering on a solo cross country. This guy was a total wreck. First he was 10 miles south; then he was 5 miles north, then he was over such and such lake which is 15 miles northwest. The controllers at this particular airport aren't known as the friendliest around, so as you can imagine, the poor guy wasn't having a good time. I wasn't really paying attention to what all was being said because I was focusing on my approaches, but after doing about 3 full ILS/VOR approaches (procedure turn and all) he still was confused as to where he was and hadn't landed yet (but I believe was still in the pattern). We were just doing missed approaches, breaking off well before the airport area to stay out of the way. I don't really blame the controller because he was frustrated too, but it was what my instructor said which I think was worst of all. During our last approach, he said something to the effect of "Do you want us to do another low approach so you can handle this guy, or can we do a touch and go the this next one?" I just cringed when I heard that. I just can imagine being in his shoes. The last thing I want to know is that I'm messing not only the controller's thing, but other pilots as well. We didn't NEED to do a touch and go, we could have just did our share by helping out with the low approaches, then moved on. Indirectly telling the poor student how incompetent he is (which he HAS to already know by then) just helps no one out. It just makes things worse. I don't think what my instructor said |
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PSA: Don't be rude on the radio
On May 9, 11:35 pm, buttman wrote:
I don't think what my instructor said stupid freaking google groups submitting my post before it was done... the past paragraph should say: I don't think what my instructor said was intentionally meant as harassment, but if I were in the student's shoes, I would have interpreted it as harassment just the same. So please everyone, mind what you say on the radio! |
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PSA: Don't be rude on the radio
On May 10, 1:38 am, buttman wrote:
On May 9, 11:35 pm, buttman wrote: I don't think what my instructor said stupid freaking google groups submitting my post before it was done... the past paragraph should say: I don't think what my instructor said was intentionally meant as harassment, but if I were in the student's shoes, I would have interpreted it as harassment just the same. So please everyone, mind what you say on the radio! "stupid freaking google groups" doesn't do anything you don't tell it to do. -- Gene Seibel Gene & Sue's Aeroplanes - http://pad39a.com/gene/planes.html Because we fly, we envy no one. |
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PSA: Don't be rude on the radio
I had two recent situations where other pilots thought they'd be cool
by being condescending jackasses over the radio, which effected my ability to teach my student. I can't comment too much on your experiences, but I will say this: I've heard more rude and improper radio talk in the last two years than I had in the previous ten. The rudeness that has invaded our society is starting to penetrate the cockpit environment, and *that* is a shame. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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PSA: Don't be rude on the radio
Jay Honeck wrote:
The rudeness that has invaded our society is starting to penetrate the cockpit environment, and *that* is a shame. How's this for rude: http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/05/10/odd.bostonpopsfight.ap/index.html A fight at the symphony. G |
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PSA: Don't be rude on the radio
Jay Honeck wrote:
I had two recent situations where other pilots thought they'd be cool by being condescending jackasses over the radio, which effected my ability to teach my student. I can't comment too much on your experiences, but I will say this: I've heard more rude and improper radio talk in the last two years than I had in the previous ten. I thought I just hadn't noticed it before... -m -- ## Mark T. Dame ## CP-ASEL, AGI ## insert tail number here ## KHAO, KISZ "There's still some duplication (i.e., several places where I say close to the same thing twice, and also where I'm redundant :-)" -- Daniel Mocsny |
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PSA: Don't be rude on the radio
Jay Honeck wrote:
I had two recent situations where other pilots thought they'd be cool by being condescending jackasses over the radio, which effected my ability to teach my student. I can't comment too much on your experiences, but I will say this: I've heard more rude and improper radio talk in the last two years than I had in the previous ten. The rudeness that has invaded our society is starting to penetrate the cockpit environment, and *that* is a shame. It's because we're all getting older (Baby Boom Generation) and we're becoming Grumpy Old Men... Of course, we also have to balance this with being Dirty Old Men In Training... |
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PSA: Don't be rude on the radio
"Grumman-581" wrote in message ... Jay Honeck wrote: I had two recent situations where other pilots thought they'd be cool by being condescending jackasses over the radio, which effected my ability to teach my student. I can't comment too much on your experiences, but I will say this: I've heard more rude and improper radio talk in the last two years than I had in the previous ten. The rudeness that has invaded our society is starting to penetrate the cockpit environment, and *that* is a shame. It's because we're all getting older (Baby Boom Generation) and we're becoming Grumpy Old Men... Of course, we also have to balance this with being Dirty Old Men In Training... Then again there are some of us out here who completed the DOM training by age 6 :-) Dudley Henriques |
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PSA: Don't be rude on the radio
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ... "Grumman-581" wrote in message ... Jay Honeck wrote: I had two recent situations where other pilots thought they'd be cool by being condescending jackasses over the radio, which effected my ability to teach my student. I can't comment too much on your experiences, but I will say this: I've heard more rude and improper radio talk in the last two years than I had in the previous ten. The rudeness that has invaded our society is starting to penetrate the cockpit environment, and *that* is a shame. It's because we're all getting older (Baby Boom Generation) and we're becoming Grumpy Old Men... Of course, we also have to balance this with being Dirty Old Men In Training... Then again there are some of us out here who completed the DOM training by age 6 :-) You needed TRAINING? |
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