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Sport Pilot - School Won't Offer
I started my PP training about 1 1/2 years ago, but due to some unfortunate medical problems
in my family, have had to postpone it until this summer. Now that the Sport Pilot license is available, I inquired with my school. The manager basically said "it's useless" and couldn't really see why anyone would want it. Later in his conversation he says, "...unless someone just wants to fly around their airport - you can't really go anywhere..." - which is only partially true if one gets an endorsement on ADIZ, Class B, and Cross Country. However, I see a great opportunity in this program, and would like it as a stepping stone to my Private. I will note that they don't have any planes that qualify - I don't know how close a 152 is, but I think it's a bit over the limit. I've seen a lot of excitement generated about this license, but I am a little frustrated by the fact that they would be so opposed to it. I can see them not going out of their way to get a plane that qualifies - no big deal. That's a business decision. But a harsh opposition based on "his view" concerns me. Maybe if he had justification on safety or other substantive issues, ok. But such an obtuse statement makes no effort to understand the student. Does anyone know of places in Maryland that will offer the Sport License? Frederick? Laurel? Tipton? Bay Bridge? Thank you! Gary |
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"Gary G" wrote in
: I started my PP training about 1 1/2 years ago, but due to some unfortunate medical problems in my family, have had to postpone it until this summer. Now that the Sport Pilot license is available, I inquired with my school. The manager basically said "it's useless" and couldn't really see why anyone would want it. Later in his conversation he says, "...unless someone just wants to fly around their airport - you can't really go anywhere..." - which is only partially true if one gets an endorsement on ADIZ, Class B, and Cross Country. However, I see a great opportunity in this program, and would like it as a stepping stone to my Private. I will note that they don't have any planes that qualify - I don't know how close a 152 is, but I think it's a bit over the limit. I've seen a lot of excitement generated about this license, but I am a little frustrated by the fact that they would be so opposed to it. I can see them not going out of their way to get a plane that qualifies - no big deal. That's a business decision. But a harsh opposition based on "his view" concerns me. Maybe if he had justification on safety or other substantive issues, ok. But such an obtuse statement makes no effort to understand the student. Does anyone know of places in Maryland that will offer the Sport License? Frederick? Laurel? Tipton? Bay Bridge? Thank you! Gary He doesn't have a CLUE as to what sport pilot is! Either that, or he simply knows he can't accomidate you with his current fleet, and therefore must sh*t on the whole concept if he wants you as a student. He will come around eventually though. It may be awhile, the infrastructure for Sport Pilot is coming into place, and will be well represented by the end of 2005. Right now, there are only 8 sport pilot examiners (only 2 of which are SEL), but there will be at least 100 by the end of the year. Sport pilot is for all of us who want to just fly. Yeah you can get signed off to fly to C and B airspace etc., but you don't need to do that right away. At the base level sport pilot is PPL minus night flight, minus VOR's , minus towered radio work (or any radio work at all depending on equipment in the trainer); minus hood work. That's where the 20 hrs base training comes in. I intend to get my basic Sport Pilot lic., then take training in flight into C and B airspace etc. later. The endorsement is added to your logbook by the CFI only at that point. This will also make the checkride much more straightforward, as the examiner basically just has to test you on flying the plane! again, no hood work, no VOR's, no towered radio work, etc. Later, if you decide you want to get your PPL, you just go back and get some training in the above areas (bringing total training hours up to min 40 as well), get your medical, get your checkride and go! We will see more flight schools offering Sport Pilot as more potential students look around for leaseback options and decide that a $70,000 brand new Zodiac 601XL SLSA, is a better idea for leaseback than a 40 year old 152 or 172 which is very likely to cost $5K - $25K plus for every annual in addition to higher fuel consumption etc. Here is a link to a Maryland CC that is offering sport pilot ground school, I bet they know exactly where you can take flight training or they would be unlikely to offer the ground school. http://www.carrollcc.edu/assets/publ...e/pdf/2005/Non creditwinter2005extracts/occupationalpreparation&development_winter05.pdf the above might take some cutting and pasting, as an alternative try: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z2491247A Post back here and tell us what they say! -ET |
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ET wrote:
Sport pilot is for all of us who want to just fly. Yeah you can get signed off to fly to C and B airspace etc., but you don't need to do that right away. At the base level sport pilot is PPL minus night flight, minus VOR's , minus towered radio work (or any radio work at all depending on equipment in the trainer); minus hood work. Minus international flying (not recognized outside the USA), minus family flying (limited to 2 seats), minus long-distance flying (even with the x-country you will have to land frequently to refuel because of limited airplane size), ... I am sure I missed quite a few additional limitations jue |
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"Jürgen Exner" wrote in message
news:2p5Pd.1701$uc.393@trnddc01... ET wrote: Sport pilot is for all of us who want to just fly. Yeah you can get signed off to fly to C and B airspace etc., but you don't need to do that right away. At the base level sport pilot is PPL minus night flight, minus VOR's , minus towered radio work (or any radio work at all depending on equipment in the trainer); minus hood work. Minus international flying (not recognized outside the USA), minus family flying (limited to 2 seats), minus long-distance flying (even with the x-country you will have to land frequently to refuel because of limited airplane size), ... I am sure I missed quite a few additional limitations jue So what your saying Jue is it just basically means someone who just wants to fly for the fun of it? Well that is the whole point! As for long distance flying , yes I can do that and yes I may have to stop more for fuel....I don't mind at all IT'S FUN!!!! Only having one passenger is fine by me...I get to leave the kids at the Grandparents house and take little romantic getaways with my wife! Hmm, STILL FUN! And I can always take the kids up around the patch one at a time to get them interested in aviation. EVEN MORE FUN! As for going to another country, I have no need nor any desire to go overseas. Been there done that and much prefer to stay right here in the good ole USA. I also have no need or desire to fly a 737 or in IFR..just want a simple plane to have fun in. Amazing how it all points back to just having FUN! Patrick student SPL aircraft structural mech |
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"Jürgen Exner" wrote in
news:2p5Pd.1701$uc.393@trnddc01: ET wrote: Sport pilot is for all of us who want to just fly. Yeah you can get signed off to fly to C and B airspace etc., but you don't need to do that right away. At the base level sport pilot is PPL minus night flight, minus VOR's , minus towered radio work (or any radio work at all depending on equipment in the trainer); minus hood work. Minus international flying (not recognized outside the USA), minus family flying (limited to 2 seats), minus long-distance flying (even with the x-country you will have to land frequently to refuel because of limited airplane size), ... I am sure I missed quite a few additional limitations jue Well, I was giving examples of the training that would not be required, but I'll respond to your post anyway: Sport Pilot range: As an example, a Zodiac 601XL will outlast your bladder and the desire to stretch your legs. The Zodiac will fly almost 5 hrs and well over 600 miles without needing to stop for fuel, is that not cross country enough????? So your range comment is pure poppycock..... International Flying: Canada is already in the process of officially recognising sport pilots, in Mexico you will simply have to get permission ahead of time, the same way anyone flying an Experimental has to get permission ahead of time. Yes, more complicated than just PPL Family Flying: Yes Sport Pilot is limited to two seats, guess you got me there grin. On the up side, for the price of a brand new 172 you can by 2 brand new sport planes AND AN SUV!!!! and mom can fly one kid, while dad flys the other, all while still burning 3gph less total fuel as the 172 BIG GRIN! Not only that, but as an aging baby boomer with money to spend on hobbies, your much more likely to dump 70grand on an aircraft that you have confidence your next visit to the FAA health police will not disqualify you from flying!!! -ET |
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"Jürgen Exner" wrote: even with the x-country you will have to land frequently to refuel because of limited airplane size Not really. They carry less fuel, but they burn less per hour. A 65 hp Chief with its 15 gallons will stay in the air nearly as long as a 180hp Maule with its 43 gallons. Cross-country flights will be a problem because a typical sport aircraft is slower, not because of fuel capacity problems. George Patterson He who would distinguish what is true from what is false must have an adequate understanding of truth and falsehood. |
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minus long-distance flying (even with the x-country you will have to land frequently to refuel because of limited airplane size), ... Oh, God, that would be awful! You mean we can't fly coast to coast at 35,000 feet without stopping somewhere? -- all the best, Dan Ford email (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum: www.pipercubforum.com the blog: www.danford.net |
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"Jürgen Exner" wrote in message news:2p5Pd.1701$uc.393@trnddc01... ET wrote: Sport pilot is for all of us who want to just fly. Yeah you can get Minus international flying (not recognized outside the USA), minus family flying (limited to 2 seats), minus long-distance flying (even with the x-country you will have to land frequently to refuel because of limited airplane size), ... If I had a sawbuck for every 172 that's rarely flown more than 2-3 hours with no more than 2 seats filled and never leaving CONUS, I'd have enough money to buy a new 172 or two. -cwk. |
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"Jürgen Exner" wrote in message
news:2p5Pd.1701$uc.393@trnddc01... ET wrote: Sport pilot is for all of us who want to just fly. Yeah you can get signed off to fly to C and B airspace etc., but you don't need to do that right away. At the base level sport pilot is PPL minus night flight, minus VOR's , minus towered radio work (or any radio work at all depending on equipment in the trainer); minus hood work. Minus international flying (not recognized outside the USA), minus family flying (limited to 2 seats), minus long-distance flying (even with the x-country you will have to land frequently to refuel because of limited airplane size), ... I am sure I missed quite a few additional limitations jue Limited cross country.. based on where you are signed off to fly.. and limited distance from "home" airport.. not a fuel thing.. also limited altitude to below 10K MSL, because the SPL does not get O2 deprivation training BT |
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"BTIZ" wrote Limited cross country.. based on where you are signed off to fly.. and limited distance from "home" airport.. not a fuel thing.. BT More uninformed BS -- Jim in NC |
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