Cost of ownership question

Ben Jackson wrote:

In article ,
G.R. Patterson III wrote:

In ten years the new paintjob you'll need will be half that.

Get real. A complete recover job on my Maule is less than that -- at Maule.

In... ten... years...

Yes, Madame Ruth.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

Stealth Pilot wrote:

what you guys have proven to me is that our little airfield 50km
south
of Perth in Western Australia is even more special than I had
believed.


It is special indeed. Believe me, if I could hangar at a reasonable
cost, it would certainly be one of the 1st items of business after
buying a plane. Consider yourself a lucky man.
John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:48:38 -0800, "Slip'er"
wrote:

I'll leave you guys to slash wrists, bay at the moon in frustration,
and I'll just go back to my little piece of heaven.

I wouldn't mind a little piece of your heaven. Oh wait, I would be an
"illegal alien" there and Australia is a lot smarter than the US on that
issue...you'd throw me out.

if you promise to bring your Pitts, the Learjet and that C5a gallaxy
you nicked from the marines, and you let us fly them, I'm sure we'll
hide you in various hangars untill the feds forget about you :-)

Stealth Pilot

if you promise to bring your Pitts, the Learjet and that C5a gallaxy
you nicked from the marines, and you let us fly them, I'm sure we'll
hide you in various hangars untill the feds forget about you :-)

Can't get the learjet for you BUT, I have my guys putting the Pitts, Aprilia
Falco, and my pickup inside the C5a Galaxy as we speak. My guys tell me
that there is room for plenty more contraband Any special requests?
Otherwise I'm filling every nook and cranny with beer and wine.

You succeeded in getting me looking at Maule's. A 160 or 180 might be the
best compromise for me although I will surely miss having a stick.

Slip'er

"Maule Driver" wrote in message
om...
I chose a tail dragging Maule:
- choosing a 4 seater over a 2 seater was the best decision. 95% of the
time, it is 2 of us flying for a 1 to 5 day trip of aprox 250miles
roundtrip. A 2 placer is good for 1 person traveling. 2 people require
a 4 placer.
- Simple has paid off in reasonably predictable and moderate
maintenance; no CS prop, 180 4 cyl, relatively new
- Hangaring; I would not be willing to own something that sat out. Not
after being in a hangar.
- I love the tailwheel - keeps it interesting and different. Makes me
feel good. No practical value whatsoever.
- Wish it was faster. But having flown only 60 hours this year vs 125
to 150 the past 5 - I appreciate the simplicity and low maintenance.

I'd suggest some more exploring of clubs or partnerships

Slip'er wrote:
All great feedback so far. Keep it coming. I have made a few posts
about
my efforts to select a plane. I am definitely caught in analysis
paralysis.
I am also caught up with fear of selling my stock when it is doing so
well.
I sold 500 shares to buy Christmas presents, two weeks after I sold them
those 500 shares were worth an additional $3500. I know this matters
little
in the big scheme, you can't time the market...etc. But I'm still
planning
to hold out until the fall and review my plans. Back to the plane.

I have only flown Citabrias and Decathalons with a little bit of Piper
PA-140 / PA-180 and a PT-23. I love the Citabria/Decathalon but am luke
warm at best about the Archer/172/etc. This bird will be parked
outside,
most likely.

I started my quest thinking that a Champ or a Luscombe would fit the
bill
for a first plane. But I get caught up in the "a 7ECA isn't that much
more
and I get aerobatics and a bigger engine" which is true but, " a 150hp
Citabria isn't much more and I love the extra power" and "wow there are
a
few nice examples of 8KCABs out there with a CS prop which is nice for
aerobatics and cruise, AND they don't cost much more..." So this is my
main
dilema aside from purchase price, what is the difference in relative
maintenance from each of this family when comparing models of similar
condition. They typically don't have a lot of "extras" which is fine
for
me. I am VFR only and don't plan to get instrument rated. (although I
have
done and will continue to do a bit of training in my friends plane for a
margin of safety should I need it someday) If I buy into this group I'd
really like to get the metal spar and heavy lift struts.

Then more skitzophrenai...Should I really hold fast to taildraggers and
stick? Yes! I dream about bush flying all of the time and with my own
plane, 3-4 day weekend trips will actually be possible. (ever try to
rent a
Citabria for a 3 day weekend? Good luck!) Wait, if I go for a faster
plane, I have access to more places. If I had say a Long-Eze or other
slippery plane in my price range I could really explore America.

Wait, I have kids. How often will I be able to realistically take off
for
3-4 day trips. That probably isn't a good selection criteria. Best to
stick with day trips, again though speed is distance. Hmm, I love the
tandem seating but, my kids would really like to be up front and that
would
be nice for them to learn more and enjoy each others company.

OMG, Look at that Great Lakes! No, wait, later! Wait until the kids
are in
College. That cannot be a good idea right now.

So, I really think I'll be looking at a Citabria type aircraft. It
seems
to be where my "comfort" zone is, probably because I soloed in a 7ECA
and
most of my time is in Citabrias. The question is, should I buy the
absolute
minimum aircraft that meets my "needs" or buy what I can afford for
maximum
fun? One thing is true with Motorcycles, Cars, Boats, and
Airplanes....you
can never have too much horse power.

Part of me says buy the minimum plane ie 7ECA for two reasons. Put the
minimum money at risk and use this first purchase as a learning
experience.
This will increase reserves in case I really screw up and said reserves
can
also hide some of the real expense from my wife who supports me in this
but
is also an accountant...and I hear about my excessive hobbies. But if
say a
150 HP Citabria is about the same to maintain...why not spend a little
extra
money?

When I really think about it, this wouldn't be such a difficult decision
if
I were single. The real pain I feel is that buying a plane feels so
selfish! This is a huge, expensive hobby for ME. Yes, my kids will
enjoy
it but I doubt my wife will fly with me until the kids are out of the
house.
My kids have flown with me and enjoy it but truth be told...they'd
rather
have a boat (my wife would too). Which clearly means...this is for me.
But
darn it, I have wanted this all of my life. They just "want" a boat
because
I brought it up one day when I took them sailing on a friends 28 ft
sailboat.

Time for my medication...

Slip'er wrote:

Otherwise I'm filling every nook and cranny with beer and wine.

You're taking *American* beer and wine to *Australia*???? Talk about coals to
Newcastle!

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

Slip'er wrote:

You succeeded in getting me looking at Maule's. A 160 or 180 might be the
best compromise for me although I will surely miss having a stick.

My 160 is for sale if you get a little futher than just looking.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

I don't want to bother you just tire kicking but contact me off line and let
me know the particulars or a link if you have anything posted on the web.

carl dot hixon at cox dot net

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble
enterprise.