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"Bob Moore" wrote in message . 121... Morgans wrote or as you say, "middleast" or whatever the h*ll that is. From Wikipedia: The Middle East is a loosely defined term for the historical and cultural subregion of Africa-Eurasia traditionally held to be countries or regions in Southwest Asia together with Egypt. In other contexts, the region can include other parts of North Africa and/or Central Asia. Note the smushed spelling. -- Jim in NC |
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Skylune wrote: We do subsidize GA in the USA however. Ah, priorities and politics..... No, we don't. Actually we collect up GA taxes and hold them in account to make the deficit look smaller. -Robert |
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john smith wrote: Insurance paid $3700, we owe $1200 (20% of the total bill). You could also have elected to buy a more expensive policy that covered more, you selected a policy that paid 80% based on the cost of the policy and what you would get for it. Personally, I just carry a catastrophic policy and pay everything out of pocket with pre-tax dollars using an HSA. I'm saving a ton of money over my previous PPOs and HMOs and if I ever do get really sick, the catastrophic policy kicks in. -Robert |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Exactly. And it is sad to say, but public (government) schools are doing a fine job of insuring new generations will go forth with limited understanding of the real power of economic freedom and just how precious it is to maintain. Actually -- so far -- the schools in Iowa City have done a pretty good job of teaching the free-market system to my kids. Of course, this is done with an undertone of self-consciousness -- as if they are somehow ashamed to live in a capitalist system -- and there is always the message that capitalism needs to be reigned in lest it go crazy and crush the weak and weary. Luckily, the kids spend many hours each week in the "real world", working at the hotel. There, they can see life as it really is, in bold relief -- sometimes in ways that their school teachers could never dream of... True. It is unfortunate, but unionized teachers are about as insulated from the real world as it gets. Only politicians are more insulated. Matt |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Actually -- so far -- the schools in Iowa City have done a pretty good job of teaching the free-market system to my kids. Of course . . . . . . . there is always the message that capitalism needs to be reigned in lest it go crazy and crush the weak and weary. Well, I should think you'd want them taught "the facts of life". The final sentence above is pretty much an emperically proven fact, is it not? I'm not putting down the free market system or capitalism in saying this; not at all. I believe the underlying laws of free market economics are demonstrated economic (and/or psychological) principles, more or less as valid, universal, reliable, and inescapable as the laws of physics that I know a fair amount about. And I'm also in full agreement with, was it Churchill?, who supposedly once said something like: "Democratic capitalism is not a particularly good social or economic system. It's just substantially better than any other social system that mankind has come up with." True enough, then and now. But when Free Market Economics turns into, not a set of economic laws to help shape our broader policy making, but into an ideology, a economic theology, before which we're all supposed to bow down -- that's bad news. When FME becomes an economic religion which, as interpreted by its acolytes and ayatollahs is supposed to reign dominant over every other consideration in our lives, then indeed a lot of crushing of the weak, the weary, the unfortunate, the innocent -- not to mention a lot of exploitation of them and others -- is certain to result. |
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In article .com,
"Robert M. Gary" wrote: john smith wrote: Insurance paid $3700, we owe $1200 (20% of the total bill). You could also have elected to buy a more expensive policy that covered more, you selected a policy that paid 80% based on the cost of the policy and what you would get for it. Personally, I just carry a catastrophic policy and pay everything out of pocket with pre-tax dollars using an HSA. I'm saving a ton of money over my previous PPOs and HMOs and if I ever do get really sick, the catastrophic policy kicks in. We picked the policy we have based on what we could afford out of pocket. Our family is normally healthy, spending less than $2000 annually on out of pocket medical expenses. Eyeglasses for the family being the biggest expense each year. This medical emergency was completely unforeseen so the insurance cost has already paid for itself. |
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AES wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote: Actually -- so far -- the schools in Iowa City have done a pretty good job of teaching the free-market system to my kids. Of course . . . . . . . there is always the message that capitalism needs to be reigned in lest it go crazy and crush the weak and weary. Well, I should think you'd want them taught "the facts of life". The final sentence above is pretty much an emperically proven fact, is it not? I'm not putting down the free market system or capitalism in saying this; not at all. I believe the underlying laws of free market economics are demonstrated economic (and/or psychological) principles, more or less as valid, universal, reliable, and inescapable as the laws of physics that I know a fair amount about. I think part of the problem is that no economy is ever completely capitalistic. For one thing, many "costs" aren't easily quantifiable or assigned to the entity that created those costs. That is one reason that "pure" capitalism tends to not be very nice to the environment. The costs of pollution historically haven't been borne by the polluters. I realize that Germany, as one example, is trying to change this with their "cradle to grave" responsibility that a company bears for its products. I suspect that this will have a profound effect over time. If the makers of things that pollute have to bear all of those costs, then capitalism is still very effective, even at preventing pollution. So, I still think capitalism is a pretty good system, the problem is that we seldom truly practice capitalism, and I don't think it is even possible to do so. Matt |
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Robert M. Gary wrote: Show me who qualifies for medicaid and can afford to fly at the same time. If you can afford to fly, you are paying for your health care whether you live in the U.S. or in Europe. In Europe you give the gov't money to pay for your healthcare, in the U.S. you give the insurance company money to pay for your healthcare. In both cases, if you don't have money, the gov't picks up the tab. -Robert An American pays more tax dollars to NOT get universal healthcare compared to what a Canadian pays. |
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I'd rather have aviation subsidized than some woman with ten kids on
welfare. Socialists suck. Actually, NPR did a piece today on the 10th anniversary of welfare reform. Even the socialists they interviewed had to grudgingly admit that the reform program, passed by the Republicans in 1996 (and signed into law by Bill Clinton) has been a resounding success, with welfare roles down 60%. Best of all, according to NPR being on "welfare" has been stigmatized once again, even in the inner cities, where it had become a multi-generational way of life. People are ashamed of being on the public dole, and are working their way out of poverty, instead of Jonesing when their checks were late. These are all good things. Childhood immunizations. There are no children turned away without immunization anywhere in America. There *are*, however, millions of criminally stupid parents who don't GET their children immunized. Honestly, you have to pass a test to drive a car, but there is no "minimum requirement" for reproducing. Imagine what a lovely world it could be, if only some basic skills were required of every human before they had children? -- Jay Honeck Owner/Innkeeper/Webmaster www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Best of all, according to NPR being on "welfare" has been stigmatized once again, even in the inner cities, where it had become a multi-generational way of life. People are ashamed of being on the public dole, and are working their way out of poverty, instead of Jonesing when their checks were late. Wow, I really don't see that in my area of the country. AT ALL. What I see are hundreds, even thousands of people who moved here after a certain natural disaster and never went home. They're using public aid, and don't seem to want that to change. Childhood immunizations. There are no children turned away without immunization anywhere in America. There *are*, however, millions of criminally stupid parents who don't GET their children immunized. Me personally, I wish I hadn't been immunized. I'm not sure, when I was a child, that vaccines were safe. We certainly didn't know as much as we do now. I'm all about risk awareness, and a baby can't choose, and parents are blinded by, well, paranoia. My mother still thinks I'm going to die every time I get in a plane, so would one really expect her to research vaccines? Nope. Course, I don't remember bring up immunizations, so I'll stop there. Honestly, you have to pass a test to drive a car, but there is no "minimum requirement" for reproducing. Imagine what a lovely world it could be, if only some basic skills were required of every human before they had children? As someone smarter than many people in the world, I say yes. As a libertarian, I unfortunately have to say no. Reproduce as you like, just don't use my money to take care of the results. |
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