What happened on this ILS approach?

Doug wrote:

Not being descended soon enough is one of the biggest complaints the
airline captains have on Approach. ATC seems to think we have a
helicopter out there.

Some of the pilots at the carrier I used to work for had a standard speech
for center or TRACON controllers when they rode the jump seat on "fam"
trips: The captain would place his hand on the speed brake handle and say,
"This is to correct my mistakes, not your's."

Cute, but I don't think it did much good.

With a light piston, it seems to me the old rule about not dropping below
15 inches of manifold pressure (except on short final) was a pretty sound
rule, IMC or VMC.

Sounds like you couldn't do much more to make it happen. My first
thought would have been, as soon as the localizer needle started coming
in, begin as fast a decent as possible to 2300 to see if I could get
there before the FAF. I guess that's basically what you did...

Peter R. wrote:

As ATC turned me to intercept the localizer I noticed that I was already
above the glideslope. Upon aligning with the localizer and still a mile or
two prior to the OM, the glideslope needle fell to to the bottom of the
scale. I began about a 750 fpm descent at about 100 kts to see if there
was any movement in the glideslope needle, but to no avail; it remained
pegged.

Best one to use I've heard is "If I don't get lower soon, I will exceed
my maximum descent profile, need lower NOW!"

Then "Matter of fact, we just exceeded it."

wrote in message ...

Some of the pilots at the carrier I used to work for had a standard speech
for center or TRACON controllers when they rode the jump seat on "fam"
trips: The captain would place his hand on the speed brake handle and
say,
"This is to correct my mistakes, not your's."

Cute, but I don't think it did much good.


It appears then that some are hesitant to use it to correct their mistakes.
In my experience aircraft are too high because they failed to descend in
time on a discretionary clearance far more often than because ATC didn't
clear them down in time.