Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.

They had no golf in Vietnam.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
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ArtKramr wrote:

They had no golf in Vietnam.

I realize you're now addicted to political trolling Art, but you're starting
out (not unlike many trolls) with factually incorrect information. SVN did have
Golf Courses.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

BUFDRVR wrote:

ArtKramr wrote:

They had no golf in Vietnam.

I realize you're now addicted to political trolling Art, but you're starting
out (not unlike many trolls) with factually incorrect information. SVN did have
Golf Courses.

BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

There must have been golf courses there, since the USAF had bases there.

Bob McKellar

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 7/10/2004 10:09 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

ArtKramr wrote:

They had no golf in Vietnam.

I realize you're now addicted to political trolling Art, but you're starting
out (not unlike many trolls) with factually incorrect information. SVN did
have
Golf Courses.


BUFDRVR


Mea culpa. Mea culpa. Now if Bush knew about those golf courses......


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:

I realize you're now addicted to political trolling Art, but you're starting
out (not unlike many trolls) with factually incorrect information. SVN did
have
Golf Courses.


BUFDRVR



Mea culpa. Mea culpa. Now if Bush knew about those golf courses......


Arthur Kramer

Of course he knew about the Golf Courses- he volunteered for
deployment to Vietnam, as you have known for some time, as it came
up several times in the newspapers, these forums, and even
television news.

Mike Williamson

Of course he knew about the Golf Courses- he volunteered for
deployment to Vietnam, as you have known for some time, as it came
up several times in the newspapers, these forums, and even
television news.

No. At least on one occasion Bush declined to volunteer for Viet Nam.


Here is the link that proves this:

http://awolbush.com/images/kerr_bush_nam.gif

Have you some proof that Bush ever changed this?



Walt

WalterM140 wrote:
Of course he knew about the Golf Courses- he volunteered for
deployment to Vietnam, as you have known for some time, as it came
up several times in the newspapers, these forums, and even
television news.


No. At least on one occasion Bush declined to volunteer for Viet Nam.


Here is the link that proves this:

http://awolbush.com/images/kerr_bush_nam.gif

Have you some proof that Bush ever changed this?



Walt

Since that form doesn't have a date, and according to the first
section, deals with being recalled for non-flying duty, it appears
to deal with inactive duty after going off active duty, and is
therefore irrelevant to the discussion. Perhaps the (obviously
objective) owner of the site "awolbush.com" would provide the rest
of the form so that we might see the actual context of the
form?

I'll not hold my breath waiting, if you don't mind...

The volunteering for deployment in the F-102 was covered quite
some time ago- during the 2000 Presidential campaign, as I recall..

Mike

Mike Williamson wrote in message ...

Of course he knew about the Golf Courses- he volunteered for
deployment to Vietnam, as you have known for some time, as it came
up several times in the newspapers, these forums, and even
television news.


As you know, he did not volunteer for deployment in Vietnam.
When he enlisted in the ANG he indicated that he did not want
to be stationsed overseas. Later, when he had only a couple of
years left, he did volunteer for a program that could have
deployed him overseas, but not necessarily in Vietnam. He didn't
have enough expience, and the aircraft for which he was qualified
was being phased out so, one does wonder why he did.

--

FF

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...

As you know, he did not volunteer for deployment in Vietnam.
When he enlisted in the ANG he indicated that he did not want
to be stationsed overseas. Later, when he had only a couple of
years left, he did volunteer for a program that could have
deployed him overseas, but not necessarily in Vietnam. He didn't
have enough expience, and the aircraft for which he was qualified
was being phased out so, one does wonder why he did.


Being phased out, but in USAF service until mid 1973.

Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
Mike Williamson wrote in message ...

Of course he knew about the Golf Courses- he volunteered for
deployment to Vietnam, as you have known for some time, as it came
up several times in the newspapers, these forums, and even
television news.



As you know, he did not volunteer for deployment in Vietnam.
When he enlisted in the ANG he indicated that he did not want
to be stationsed overseas. Later, when he had only a couple of
years left, he did volunteer for a program that could have
deployed him overseas, but not necessarily in Vietnam. He didn't
have enough expience, and the aircraft for which he was qualified
was being phased out so, one does wonder why he did.


Well, here's a thought- perhaps he thought it was his only/last shot
at deploying and doing what he was trained for. BTW, the program was
not a PCS as I recall ("stationed overseas,") but a deployment, so not
being a volunteer for stationing overseas isn't the same thing- also,
I am not aware of all that many Guardsmen who have ever been volunteers
for overseas stationing- or that there are many National Guard troops
stationed (as opposed to deployed) overseas in any case. I am aware
of a couple, but in each case they were the spouse of an active duty
member and moved as a result of the active duty stationing, and picked
up a duty slot only after moving there.

Mike