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A friend of mine is building a Legacy and has a question....
Hey, ask anyone on the rec homebuilt group if they've ever built any
Lancairs and then ask them if they used a 1 degree toe-in on the main landing gear for the 320, the Lancair 4 or the Legacy. I test drove mine today and almost lost control of it in yaw on the runway because it's dead nuts on center with the mains. No where in the manual does it say you need toe-in, but I have a sneaking hunch that I need a half degree on each main to keep it from being divergent. I'm going to just do it if I can't get a response from someone who might know. The ****ing factory doesn't even know....dumb ****s. They are about to go bankrupt and I can see why! I forget what toe-in and how much I used on my RV-6.... John |
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A friend of mine is building a Legacy and has a question....
Have you asked this on the Lancair mail line?
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A friend of mine is building a Legacy and has a question....
On 20 Apr 2006 21:48:34 -0700, "ELIPPSE"
wrote: Have you asked this on the Lancair mail line? John, it's my understanding that you need a little toe out on a tail dragger and a little toe in on the tri-gears. I know the toe out works on a tail dragger and I don't know the exact logic on a tri-gear. Ed Sullivan |
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A friend of mine is building a Legacy and has a question....
"Ed Sullivan" wrote in message ... On 20 Apr 2006 21:48:34 -0700, "ELIPPSE" wrote: Have you asked this on the Lancair mail line? John, it's my understanding that you need a little toe out on a tail dragger and a little toe in on the tri-gears. I know the toe out works on a tail dragger and I don't know the exact logic on a tri-gear. Ed Sullivan That is my understanding as well. I my recollection is mainly of an article(s) in Sport Aviation several years ago which outlined some of the issues the repair volunteers had seen in the course of getting aircraft headed home from OSH. An additional personal observation is that camber can influence or mimic either toe-in or toe-out in a nose-up or tail-up attitude. Perhaps a call to EAA would be usefull. Peter |
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A friend of mine is building a Legacy and has a question....
John, it's my understanding that you need a little toe out on a tail
dragger and a little toe in on the tri-gears. I agree that taildraggers will need toe out and tricycle kit toe in. This is since:- Taildragger with toe out. You are going along the ground straight and level when some perturbation causes the aircraft to point left of its track. The aircraft will tend to roll to the right and the vertical force on the right hand wheel will increase at the expense of the left hand wheel (since the aircraft still weights the same). Since the right hand wheel is toed out the aircraft will begin to turn to the right thereby moving everything back towards balance. In a word there is stability. Taildragger with toe in. You are going along the ground straight and level when some perturbation causes the aircraft to point left of its track. The aircraft will tend to roll to the right and the vertical force on the right hand wheel will increase at the expense of the left hand wheel (since the aircraft still weights the same). Since the right hand wheel is toed in the aircraft will turn further to the LEFT thereby reinforcing the original perturbation. In a word there is instability. Tricycle with toe out. You are going along the ground straight and level when some perturbation causes the aircraft to point left of its track. The aircraft will tend to roll to the right and the vertical force on the right hand wheel will increase at the expense of the left hand wheel (since the aircraft still weights the same). Since the right hand wheel is toed out the aircraft will turn further to the LEFT thereby reinforcing the original perturbation. In a word there is instability. Tricycle with toe in. By similar argument - stability I have experienced severe oscillation in the case of a trailer being towed behind a car where the trailer had a lot of toe in due to crash damage. After a bit of thinking I realised what might be causing the issue and reduced the amplitude or the oscillation at any particular speed by letting some air out of the tires of the trailer. This allowed the tyres to operate at a greater slip angle. I could then proceed at 28mph instead of 20mph a big improvement. I have never previously found any use for this knowledge ^h^h^h^h^h^h opinion. Hope it is right and helps out. |
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A friend of mine is building a Legacy and has a question....
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I have never previously found any use for this knowledge ^h^h^h^h^h^h opinion. Hope it is right and helps out. http://www.familycar.com/Alignment.htm Had to make sure I had the terms right. Montblack |
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A friend of mine is building a Legacy and has a question....
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:32:22 -0500, "Montblack"
wrote: wrote) I have never previously found any use for this knowledge ^h^h^h^h^h^h opinion. Hope it is right and helps out. http://www.familycar.com/Alignment.htm Had to make sure I had the terms right. Disclaimer (Don't try this at home) You could always set about 2 or 3 degrees toe out with a bit of negative caster. That way the results will be predictable to an almost certainty and he'll never have a case of bordome on any landing. As to the toe in, I thought that really was about 2 degrees. BTW the nose gear on the Deb and Bonanzas has a negative caster. Your feet are always moving if you plan on even trying to simulate a straight taxi. That wheel wants to go any where but straight ahead. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com Montblack |
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A friend of mine is building a Legacy and has a question....
"Roger" wrote in message
... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:32:22 -0500, "Montblack" wrote: wrote) I have never previously found any use for this knowledge ^h^h^h^h^h^h opinion. Hope it is right and helps out. http://www.familycar.com/Alignment.htm Had to make sure I had the terms right. Disclaimer (Don't try this at home) You could always set about 2 or 3 degrees toe out with a bit of negative caster. That way the results will be predictable to an almost certainty and he'll never have a case of bordome on any landing. As to the toe in, I thought that really was about 2 degrees. BTW the nose gear on the Deb and Bonanzas has a negative caster. Your feet are always moving if you plan on even trying to simulate a straight taxi. That wheel wants to go any where but straight ahead. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com Montblack Roger, I think you mean negative camber. Hilarious nonetheless! Peter |
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A friend of mine is building a Legacy and has a question....
I have an old NACA study on LG geometry that addresses toe and camber
somewhere on my shelf, I'll look for it. |
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A friend of mine is building a Legacy and has a question....
Great!!
Remove "123" for my email address. John Richard Riley wrote: I have an old NACA study on LG geometry that addresses toe and camber somewhere on my shelf, I'll look for it. |
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