Air Canada L-1011

Another great aircraft that was fantastic to fly on. Too bad most of them
aren't in service any longer. Air Canada retired the type long ago.

Nick

In my own opinion, one of the best aircaraft ever made, along with the C130.
(both models)

Jacques


"Canuck" wrote in message
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Another great aircraft that was fantastic to fly on. Too bad most of them
aren't in service any longer. Air Canada retired the type long ago.

Nick



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"Laurie & Jacques" wrote in message
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In my own opinion, one of the best aircaraft ever made, along with the
C130. (both models)

Jacques

I really loved it. My most memorable flight on an Air Canada L-1011 was
coming back from London (Heathrow) to Winnipeg. In those days, if you asked
nicely, they would let you go up and visit the cockpit and have a look
around. The crew were very nice to me and let me sit in the jump seat
through the approach and landing into Winnipeg. The conditions were quite
rough. Strong winds and lots of snow...as near to a blizzard as can be. It
was fantastic to see the runway lights just appear out of the gloom. It was
the strangest trip. I left Zagreb in a blizzard, arrived in London where it
was relatively warm and quite humid, and then arrived in a blizzard again.
It was fantastic to be back in Canada. I wish I'd gotten some pictures of
the magnificent sky over Greenland. It was quite amazing. Although I'd been
back and forth over Greenland several times, I'd never seen anything quite
like this. It was twilight and bitterly cold and lots of ice crystals in the
clouds below. The Sun's rays produced a spectacular prismatic effect in the
clouds. Absolutely unforgettable and I wish I had some way to film it. The
very cheap camera I had and the film I had in it just did not do it justice.

Lockheed makes great aircraft. I love everything they have ever made. Some
of my other favourites are the F-104, the SR-71, the U-2 and of course the
new F-22. I have yet to see a F-22 in person but look forward to it. The
video that has made its way around the Internet is quite spectacular. It is
an amazing aircraft and I wish Canada had bought it instead of the F-35. I
guess it came down to money.

Nick

Agreed! I've always liked the Tristar, probably because it was the first
aircraft I'd ever flown on. I went from Gatwick to Palma, Majorca in 1982 on
a L-1011 which was operated by British Airtours. Being only 7 years old at
the time (and fascinated) they let me into the cockpit. Marvellous!!!!





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"Laurie & Jacques" wrote in message
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In my own opinion, one of the best aircaraft ever made, along with the
C130. (both models)

Jacques

I really loved it. My most memorable flight on an Air Canada L-1011 was
coming back from London (Heathrow) to Winnipeg. In those days, if you
asked nicely, they would let you go up and visit the cockpit and have a
look around. The crew were very nice to me and let me sit in the jump seat
through the approach and landing into Winnipeg. The conditions were quite
rough. Strong winds and lots of snow...as near to a blizzard as can be. It
was fantastic to see the runway lights just appear out of the gloom. It
was the strangest trip. I left Zagreb in a blizzard, arrived in London
where it was relatively warm and quite humid, and then arrived in a
blizzard again. It was fantastic to be back in Canada. I wish I'd gotten
some pictures of the magnificent sky over Greenland. It was quite amazing.
Although I'd been back and forth over Greenland several times, I'd never
seen anything quite like this. It was twilight and bitterly cold and lots
of ice crystals in the clouds below. The Sun's rays produced a spectacular
prismatic effect in the clouds. Absolutely unforgettable and I wish I had
some way to film it. The very cheap camera I had and the film I had in it
just did not do it justice.

Lockheed makes great aircraft. I love everything they have ever made. Some
of my other favourites are the F-104, the SR-71, the U-2 and of course the
new F-22. I have yet to see a F-22 in person but look forward to it. The
video that has made its way around the Internet is quite spectacular. It
is an amazing aircraft and I wish Canada had bought it instead of the
F-35. I guess it came down to money.

Nick

I actually never have flown on the 10-11. Here are some reasons why I liked
it.

I worked for Air Canada out of Dorval (Now Pierre Elliot Trudeau
International Airport) and Mirabel International; as ground crew, baggage
"hustler", etc

The concept of that aircraft, in my view, was "quick turnaround". What I
mean is this. Everything was containerized: baggage, freight, food, etc.
We had at least three crews of 4 doing the loading/unloading. Two fuel
tenders, one lavatory (sewage) truck and one fresh water truck. The
turnaround time for us was at least 45 minutes. Fuel and all included.

At midships, and in just in front of the wing root, you had a full size
service door for the galley access where the food service truck would line
itself and open the door and deliver/remove all the food carts/ovens. In
other words, one service stop instead of using two to three doors to do the
same job for, let's say a 747. You see, the galley was located under the
main passenger floor at about the mid section of the aircraft. It had two
service elevators in order to send and receive the containers. Utterly
fascinating! Oh, BTW, you still had a "bulk cargo" area aft of the rear
main cargo door for loose mail bags, oversize cargo, baggage, etc. It
really was a delight to work with this aircraft.

Just aft of the galley, you had the electronics bay in which you had to go
through an access door through the galley, if you had to service any "black
box" that might have been deficient (unlike the 747 which was forward of the
front cargo compartment and under the first class floor).

I also had an opportunity to work on the C5, DC 3, DC 10, HS 747, Boeing
747, 737, 707 and a host of others. The 10-11 will remain by far the most
well built and most gorgeous (lack of a better term), and cleanest designed
aircraft that I have eve seen. And remember this: only one ever crashed.
That was in Florida, I believe in the 70s. As compared to the DC-10s. They
had a variety of problems for "pranging".

I am not sure who made the engines, but I think, and correct me if I am
wrong, were Rolls Royce. At least for Air Canada, at any rate. Quality
stuff, in my mind.

Jacques



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You are right! $$ rules! Canada, I believe has only two to three
operational squadrons of CF-18s. Another for Training new pilots. the rest
are spar parts, or if you wish, spares. Just the same, they will be buying
new planes. They have to. No way getting around it.

Jacques

"Canuck" wrote in message
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"Laurie & Jacques" wrote in message
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In my own opinion, one of the best aircaraft ever made, along with the
C130. (both models)

Jacques

I really loved it. My most memorable flight on an Air Canada L-1011 was
coming back from London (Heathrow) to Winnipeg. In those days, if you
asked nicely, they would let you go up and visit the cockpit and have a
look around. The crew were very nice to me and let me sit in the jump seat
through the approach and landing into Winnipeg. The conditions were quite
rough. Strong winds and lots of snow...as near to a blizzard as can be. It
was fantastic to see the runway lights just appear out of the gloom. It
was the strangest trip. I left Zagreb in a blizzard, arrived in London
where it was relatively warm and quite humid, and then arrived in a
blizzard again. It was fantastic to be back in Canada. I wish I'd gotten
some pictures of the magnificent sky over Greenland. It was quite amazing.
Although I'd been back and forth over Greenland several times, I'd never
seen anything quite like this. It was twilight and bitterly cold and lots
of ice crystals in the clouds below. The Sun's rays produced a spectacular
prismatic effect in the clouds. Absolutely unforgettable and I wish I had
some way to film it. The very cheap camera I had and the film I had in it
just did not do it justice.

Lockheed makes great aircraft. I love everything they have ever made. Some
of my other favourites are the F-104, the SR-71, the U-2 and of course the
new F-22. I have yet to see a F-22 in person but look forward to it. The
video that has made its way around the Internet is quite spectacular. It
is an amazing aircraft and I wish Canada had bought it instead of the
F-35. I guess it came down to money.

Nick



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"Laurie & Jacques" wrote in message
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"Canuck" wrote in message
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"Laurie & Jacques" wrote in message
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In my own opinion, one of the best aircaraft ever made, along with the
C130. (both models)

Jacques

I really loved it. My most memorable flight on an Air Canada L-1011 was
coming back from London (Heathrow) to Winnipeg. In those days, if you asked
nicely, they would let you go up and visit the cockpit and have a look
around. The crew were very nice to me and let me sit in the jump seat
through the approach and landing into Winnipeg. The conditions were quite
rough. Strong winds and lots of snow...as near to a blizzard as can be. It
was fantastic to see the runway lights just appear out of the gloom. It was
the strangest trip. I left Zagreb in a blizzard, arrived in London where it
was relatively warm and quite humid, and then arrived in a blizzard again.
It was fantastic to be back in Canada. I wish I'd gotten some pictures of
the magnificent sky over Greenland. It was quite amazing. Although I'd been
back and forth over Greenland several times, I'd never seen anything quite
like this. It was twilight and bitterly cold and lots of ice crystals in
the clouds below. The Sun's rays produced a spectacular prismatic effect in
the clouds. Absolutely unforgettable and I wish I had some way to film it.
The very cheap camera I had and the film I had in it just did not do it
justice.

Lockheed makes great aircraft. I love everything they have ever made. Some
of my other favourites are the F-104, the SR-71, the U-2 and of course the
new F-22. I have yet to see a F-22 in person but look forward to it. The
video that has made its way around the Internet is quite spectacular. It is
an amazing aircraft and I wish Canada had bought it instead of the F-35. I
guess it came down to money.

You are right! $$ rules! Canada, I believe has only two to three
operational squadrons of CF-18s. Another for Training new pilots. the rest
are spar parts, or if you wish, spares. Just the same, they will be buying
new planes. They have to. No way getting around it.

Don't bet on it. They are likely counting on keeping CF-188s flying until the
Canadian version of the F-35 is available. I don't think they have to buy
anything but spares, just as they did with the Starfighter.
--
Andrew Chaplin
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"Laurie & Jacques" wrote in message
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You are right! $$ rules! Canada, I believe has only two to three
operational squadrons of CF-18s. Another for Training new pilots. the
rest are spar parts, or if you wish, spares. Just the same, they will be
buying new planes. They have to. No way getting around it.

Jacques

Isn't that stupid? We mothball our best aircraft and cut flying time and
training time. I hope they don't do the same thing with the F-35 once it
gets here.

Nick

Yep, Rolls-Royce RB211's


"Laurie & Jacques" wrote in message
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I actually never have flown on the 10-11. Here are some reasons why I
liked it.

I worked for Air Canada out of Dorval (Now Pierre Elliot Trudeau
International Airport) and Mirabel International; as ground crew, baggage
"hustler", etc

The concept of that aircraft, in my view, was "quick turnaround". What I
mean is this. Everything was containerized: baggage, freight, food, etc.
We had at least three crews of 4 doing the loading/unloading. Two fuel
tenders, one lavatory (sewage) truck and one fresh water truck. The
turnaround time for us was at least 45 minutes. Fuel and all included.

At midships, and in just in front of the wing root, you had a full size
service door for the galley access where the food service truck would line
itself and open the door and deliver/remove all the food carts/ovens. In
other words, one service stop instead of using two to three doors to do
the same job for, let's say a 747. You see, the galley was located under
the main passenger floor at about the mid section of the aircraft. It had
two service elevators in order to send and receive the containers.
Utterly fascinating! Oh, BTW, you still had a "bulk cargo" area aft of
the rear main cargo door for loose mail bags, oversize cargo, baggage,
etc. It really was a delight to work with this aircraft.

Just aft of the galley, you had the electronics bay in which you had to go
through an access door through the galley, if you had to service any
"black box" that might have been deficient (unlike the 747 which was
forward of the front cargo compartment and under the first class floor).

I also had an opportunity to work on the C5, DC 3, DC 10, HS 747, Boeing
747, 737, 707 and a host of others. The 10-11 will remain by far the most
well built and most gorgeous (lack of a better term), and cleanest
designed aircraft that I have eve seen. And remember this: only one ever
crashed. That was in Florida, I believe in the 70s. As compared to the
DC-10s. They had a variety of problems for "pranging".

I am not sure who made the engines, but I think, and correct me if I am
wrong, were Rolls Royce. At least for Air Canada, at any rate. Quality
stuff, in my mind.

Jacques



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"Nick Hunt" wrote in message
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"Laurie & Jacques" wrote in message
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I am not sure who made the engines, but I think, and correct me if I am
wrong, were Rolls Royce. At least for Air Canada, at any rate. Quality
stuff, in my mind.

Yep, Rolls-Royce RB211's

IIRC, development of those engines was what brought RR to bankruptcy in the
'70s.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)