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Painting Your Airplane in the Hangar?
No one seems to be going into the plastic paint booth method. A frame work built large enough to cover the plane, made from plastic pipe and fittings (Friction fit or screws used to hold things together) or from 2X4s. Draped, stapled and duct taped with 6 mill clear plastic (big roll from Home Depot) .. Overlap slit for a door works OK. We actually installed a spring closed framed door with gasket seals around and edge flange (door opened inward so pressure didn't blow it open...gasket also worked better that way)
Booth is pressure fed with duct fan or ventilation fan ducted and blowing through two layers of furnace filters to eliminate dust. Booth exhausts through duct that exits the hangar (or the large doors are kept open) through two or three furnace filters to eliminate paint mist. Floor of booth is mopped down before painting and/or floor is covered with a damp painters cotton drop cloth. Many florescent lights or halogen placed OUTSIDE of the booth illuminating through the clear plastic. Tyvec suit with disposable shoe covers. Fan does not have to be anything special because it never sees any paint solvent vapors. And with good ventilation vapor concentrations never reach anything close to explosive levels. Use good organic filtered (carbon) respirator or (better) fresh air mask from remote supply source. The plastic paint boot was a permanent part of our winter hangar and was pressurized with a "torpedo" propane heater controlled by a thermostat. After the day's work we retired to, if no plane was present, the heated "cabana" for cold beer. The heater helped to force dry many projects by our running the thermostat up once the paint was shot. Some people ran the heater, cut it off, shot the paint, then turned the heater/blower back on to reduce chance of any dust flying about. Our booth produced many a dust free paint job. jls wrote: I just saw a beautiful Lancair 320 painted in the hangar. It looks great until you get up close. The polyurethane paint is very glossy, but there is dust particles and trash all over it. Even a few insects in the middle of our NC winter. Not to worry, says the painter, who runs an autobody repair shop. He says he'll use 600 grit and water sand it all out and you'll never see a bit of trash in the paint. Well, I hope. What do you think? We had another builder here rent a booth in a fancy car painting shop, and the paint job on his Zenair Zodiac looked flawless. In Greenville, SC they used to transport plastic airplanes with the wings off to a nice filtered booth at an auto paint shop down White Horse Rd. and paint them there. The pressure air used for the spray system was freeze-dried to take out water and other impurities. The painter was a real pro who instructed in the auto body section at Greenville Tech. The ships always came back to the hangar looking great. How's about it? Do you paint in the hangar or in a paint shop booth? We have two more to do and want clean glossy finishes without flaws. TIA. -- ÿØÿà |
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Painting Your Airplane in the Hangar?
No one seems to be going into the plastic paint booth method. A frame work built large enough to cover the plane, made from plastic pipe and fittings (Friction fit or screws used to hold things together) or from 2X4s. Draped, stapled and duct taped with 6 mill clear plastic (big roll from Home Depot) .. Overlap slit for a door works OK. We actually installed a spring closed framed door with gasket seals around and edge flange (door opened inward so pressure didn't blow it open...gasket also worked better that way)
Booth is pressure fed with duct fan or ventilation fan ducted and blowing through two layers of furnace filters to eliminate dust. Booth exhausts through duct that exits the hangar (or the large doors are kept open) through two or three furnace filters to eliminate paint mist. Floor of booth is mopped down before painting and/or floor is covered with a damp painters cotton drop cloth. Many florescent lights or halogen placed OUTSIDE of the booth illuminating through the clear plastic. Tyvec suit with disposable shoe covers. Fan does not have to be anything special because it never sees any paint solvent vapors. And with good ventilation vapor concentrations never reach anything close to explosive levels. Use good organic filtered (carbon) respirator or (better) fresh air mask from remote supply source. The plastic paint boot was a permanent part of our winter hangar and was pressurized with a "torpedo" propane heater controlled by a thermostat. After the day's work we retired to, if no plane was present, the heated "cabana" for cold beer. The heater helped to force dry many projects by our running the thermostat up once the paint was shot. Some people ran the heater, cut it off, shot the paint, then turned the heater/blower back on to reduce chance of any dust flying about. Our booth produced many a dust free paint job. Bruce A. Frank ============= jls wrote: I just saw a beautiful Lancair 320 painted in the hangar. It looks great until you get up close. The polyurethane paint is very glossy, but there is dust particles and trash all over it. Even a few insects in the middle of our NC winter. Not to worry, says the painter, who runs an autobody repair shop. He says he'll use 600 grit and water sand it all out and you'll never see a bit of trash in the paint. Well, I hope. What do you think? We had another builder here rent a booth in a fancy car painting shop, and the paint job on his Zenair Zodiac looked flawless. In Greenville, SC they used to transport plastic airplanes with the wings off to a nice filtered booth at an auto paint shop down White Horse Rd. and paint them there. The pressure air used for the spray system was freeze-dried to take out water and other impurities. The painter was a real pro who instructed in the auto body section at Greenville Tech. The ships always came back to the hangar looking great. How's about it? Do you paint in the hangar or in a paint shop booth? We have two more to do and want clean glossy finishes without flaws. TIA. |
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Painting Your Airplane in the Hangar?
Bruce A. Frank wrote:
No one seems to be going into the plastic paint booth method. A frame work built large enough to cover the plane, made from plastic pipe and fittings (Friction fit or screws used to hold things together) or from 2X4s. Draped, stapled and duct taped with 6 mill clear plastic (big roll from Home Depot) . Overlap slit for a door works OK. We actually installed a spring closed framed door with gasket seals around and edge flange (door opened inward so pressure didn't blow it open...gasket also worked better that way) Booth is pressure fed with duct fan or ventilation fan ducted and blowing through two layers of furnace filters to eliminate dust. Booth exhausts through duct that exits the hangar (or the large doors are kept open) through two or three furnace filters to eliminate paint mist. Floor of booth is mopped down before painting and/or floor is covered with a damp painters cotton drop cloth. Many florescent lights or halogen placed OUTSIDE of the booth illuminating through the clear plastic. Tyvec suit with disposable shoe covers. Fan does not have to be anything special because it never sees any paint solvent vapors. And with good ventilation vapor concentrations never reach anything close to explosive levels. Use good organic filtered (carbon) respirator or (better) fresh air mask from remote supply source. The plastic paint boot was a permanent part of our winter hangar and was pressurized with a "torpedo" propane heater controlled by a thermostat. After the day's work we retired to, if no plane was present, the heated "cabana" for cold beer. The heater helped to force dry many projects by our running the thermostat up once the paint was shot. Some people ran the heater, cut it off, shot the paint, then turned the heater/blower back on to reduce chance of any dust flying about. Our booth produced many a dust free paint job. An elegant solution. Essentially, a homemade paint booth. Don W. |
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Painting Your Airplane in the Hangar?
Bottom line, yes.
Reality, a minute of prep saves HOURS of finish work. You can just about correct any mistake, but it takes hours of elbow grease and talent. There is a reason the pros go to great lengths on their spray rooms. As always if you have lots more time than money go for, you will learn a lot. jls wrote: I just saw a beautiful Lancair 320 painted in the hangar. It looks great until you get up close. The polyurethane paint is very glossy, but there is dust particles and trash all over it. Even a few insects in the middle of our NC winter. Not to worry, says the painter, who runs an autobody repair shop. He says he'll use 600 grit and water sand it all out and you'll never see a bit of trash in the paint. Well, I hope. What do you think? We had another builder here rent a booth in a fancy car painting shop, and the paint job on his Zenair Zodiac looked flawless. In Greenville, SC they used to transport plastic airplanes with the wings off to a nice filtered booth at an auto paint shop down White Horse Rd. and paint them there. The pressure air used for the spray system was freeze-dried to take out water and other impurities. The painter was a real pro who instructed in the auto body section at Greenville Tech. The ships always came back to the hangar looking great. How's about it? Do you paint in the hangar or in a paint shop booth? We have two more to do and want clean glossy finishes without flaws. TIA. |
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Painting Your Airplane in the Hangar?
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:46:07 -0500, " jls"
wrote: I just saw a beautiful Lancair 320 painted in the hangar. It looks great until you get up close. The polyurethane paint is very glossy, but there is dust particles and trash all over it. Even a few insects in the middle of our NC winter. Not to worry, says the painter, who runs an autobody repair shop. He says he'll use 600 grit and water sand it all out and you'll never see a bit of trash in the paint. Well, I hope. What do you think? We had another builder here rent a booth in a fancy car painting shop, and the paint job on his Zenair Zodiac looked flawless. In Greenville, SC they used to transport plastic airplanes with the wings off to a nice filtered booth at an auto paint shop down White Horse Rd. and paint them there. The pressure air used for the spray system was freeze-dried to take out water and other impurities. The painter was a real pro who instructed in the auto body section at Greenville Tech. The ships always came back to the hangar looking great. How's about it? Do you paint in the hangar or in a paint shop booth? We have two more to do and want clean glossy finishes without flaws. TIA. If the hangar was good enough, the spray booth would never have been invented. That said, I've sprayed in very substandard conditions - an old chicken coop we were using as a car club building - and got a very good finish - I washed down EVERYTHING just before painting and hung a clean tarp over the car to keep the ceiling from dripping. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Painting Your Airplane in the Hangar?
How's about it? Do you paint in the hangar or in a paint shop booth? We have two more to do and want clean glossy finishes without flaws. TIA. If the hangar was good enough, the spray booth would never have been invented. That said, I've sprayed in very substandard conditions - an old chicken coop we were using as a car club building - and got a very good finish - I washed down EVERYTHING just before painting and hung a clean tarp over the car to keep the ceiling from dripping. -- All quite true. That said, in southeastern Florida, we had had numerous incidents of aircraft in nearby hangars receiving overspray and the already overzealous management at some of the local airports have gone on a rampage over everythig from excessive mainenance in T-hangars to storage of not-aviation items... Besides, if you spray polyurethane (whether Imron or any of the other names) without all of the proper equipment, you really are committing suicide--and that's no joke. I recommend using that additional sanding-out and polishing time for something more productive in one's usual area of endeavor. Then pay a professional to do a professional job on the airplane. And, yes, I do pan to take my own advice! Peter IIRC, painting is not part of any 51% rule. |
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Painting Your Airplane in the Hangar?
Peter Dohm wrote:
IIRC, painting is not part of any 51% rule. I believe you are correct-I don't see painting on the list in FAA form 8000-38. |
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Painting Your Airplane in the Hangar?
"Peter Dohm" wrote Besides, if you spray polyurethane (whether Imron or any of the other names) without all of the proper equipment, you really are committing suicide--and that's no joke. It is worth mentioning what the proper MINIMUM equipment is, although this has been rehashed many times... The absolute "must have" is a total, 100% fresh air breathing equipment. Definition of that is that the air being breathed is brought into the spray area from outside of the contaminated area. Carbon respiratiors, or any other respireatiors will not do the job. Breathing air that comes from an air compressor does not qualify, because that air is contaminated by the compressor, itself. It must be designed as a fresh air breathing source, or it can be a homebrew low pressure (blower) supply, coming from outside the spray area. I made a fresh air system, and it was not hard or expensive, and I had 100% faith in it. Also, it important to cover ALL skin and the eyes, because the bad parts of the stuff can be absorbed through the skin. It is a worthwhile item, to be educated as to why the stuff is so bad. It is cumulative, (it gets into your system, does it's damage, and does not leave) and accumulates in the liver. I recommend using that additional sanding-out and polishing time for something more productive in one's usual area of endeavor. Then pay a professional to do a professional job on the airplane. And, yes, I do plan to take my own advice! There is nothing wrong with wanting to, and doing the painting yourself, if you study up, and take the proper precautions, and take your time setting everything up, and doing the job. A fantastic, homemade paint job can be a real, major source of pride. You have to know what you are doing, and be willing to invest the time and effort. If that is what you are "into," go for it. If you are not willing to invest the time and effort, the advise to take it to a professional is good advise. IIRC, painting is not part of any 51% rule. True. -- Jim in NC |
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Painting Your Airplane in the Hangar?
clare at snyder.on.ca wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:46:07 -0500, " jls" If the hangar was good enough, the spray booth would never have been invented. That said, I've sprayed in very substandard conditions - an old chicken coop we were using as a car club building - and got a very good finish - I washed down EVERYTHING just before painting and hung a clean tarp over the car to keep the ceiling from dripping. -- Thanks, men, to each of you for all the great advice. It was very helpful and very much appreciated. |
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