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Yikes, glad I don't have a Pegasus!
Do I correctly understand the AD below to mean that any Pegasus in the
US with 3000 hours cannot be flown after January 6, 2006? Certainly would have an effect of the market value of this glider, even one with significantly less than 3000 hours. I notice that someone put one on the market today on the SSA site at $15,000 (it has 3300 hours), which seems somewhat high for glider that can only be flown for the next month. http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...E?OpenDocument |
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Yikes, glad I don't have a Pegasus!
Greg Arnold wrote:
Do I correctly understand the AD below to mean that any Pegasus in the US with 3000 hours cannot be flown after January 6, 2006? Certainly would have an effect of the market value of this glider, even one with significantly less than 3000 hours. I notice that someone put one on the market today on the SSA site at $15,000 (it has 3300 hours), which seems somewhat high for glider that can only be flown for the next month. http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...E?OpenDocument Wow! A million dollars or so worth of gliders (51 ships times $20K each) rendered (pun intended) nearly worthless at 3000 hours. FAA estimates the cost per ship at $65. Instruments and various bits and pieces will have some "scrap" value, but as ships are retired there will be a glut of parts decreasing their value. :-( Also, this was part of the AD: "Comments Was the public invited to comment? We provided the public the opportunity to participate in developing this AD. We received no comments on the proposal or on the determination of the cost to the public." I assume the reason *no one* commented, was because most owners heard nothing??? Does the FAA notify owners of pending ADs (don't recall any with my ship)? Perhaps the SSA should check periodically for such things if they don't already. Any recourse? Major Bummer if not. Shawn |
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Yikes, glad I don't have a Pegasus!
Apparently, the $65 dollar figure was for paying an
A&P the going rate at a metropolitan airport for a minimum of 1 hour's work to make the pen and ink entry into the maintenance manual. I was considering recommending one of these gliders to a student; too bad! At 03:24 08 December 2005, Shawn wrote: Greg Arnold wrote: Do I correctly understand the AD below to mean that any Pegasus in the US with 3000 hours cannot be flown after January 6, 2006? Certainly would have an effect of the market value of this glider, even one with significantly less than 3000 hours. I notice that someone put one on the market today on the SSA site at $15,000 (it has 3300 hours), which seems somewhat high for glider that can only be flown for the next month. http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...ibrary/rgad.ns f/0/29A8C5DEB81B323F862570BD005416CE?OpenDocument Wow! A million dollars or so worth of gliders (51 ships times $20K each) rendered (pun intended) nearly worthless at 3000 hours. FAA estimates the cost per ship at $65. Instruments and various bits and pieces will have some 'scrap' value, but as ships are retired there will be a glut of parts decreasing their value. :-( Also, this was part of the AD: 'Comments Was the public invited to comment? We provided the public the opportunity to participate in developing this AD. We received no comments on the proposal or on the determination of the cost to the public.' I assume the reason *no one* commented, was because most owners heard nothing??? Does the FAA notify owners of pending ADs (don't recall any with my ship)? Perhaps the SSA should check periodically for such things if they don't already. Any recourse? Major Bummer if not. Shawn |
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Yikes, glad I don't have a Pegasus!
Apparently, the $65 dollar figure was for paying an
A&P the going rate at a metropolitan airport for a minimum of 1 hour's work to make the pen and ink entry into the maintenance manual. I was considering recommending one of these gliders to a student; too bad! At 03:24 08 December 2005, Shawn wrote: Greg Arnold wrote: Do I correctly understand the AD below to mean that any Pegasus in the US with 3000 hours cannot be flown after January 6, 2006? Certainly would have an effect of the market value of this glider, even one with significantly less than 3000 hours. I notice that someone put one on the market today on the SSA site at $15,000 (it has 3300 hours), which seems somewhat high for glider that can only be flown for the next month. http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...ibrary/rgad.ns f/0/29A8C5DEB81B323F862570BD005416CE?OpenDocument Wow! A million dollars or so worth of gliders (51 ships times $20K each) rendered (pun intended) nearly worthless at 3000 hours. FAA estimates the cost per ship at $65. Instruments and various bits and pieces will have some 'scrap' value, but as ships are retired there will be a glut of parts decreasing their value. :-( Also, this was part of the AD: 'Comments Was the public invited to comment? We provided the public the opportunity to participate in developing this AD. We received no comments on the proposal or on the determination of the cost to the public.' I assume the reason *no one* commented, was because most owners heard nothing??? Does the FAA notify owners of pending ADs (don't recall any with my ship)? Perhaps the SSA should check periodically for such things if they don't already. Any recourse? Major Bummer if not. Shawn |
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Yikes, glad I don't have a Pegasus!
I posted the following on July 14, also on gliderforum.com, I received
no replies and no replies to the thread. I presume the FAA recieved no replies either. 1. jphoenix Jul 14, 2:45 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring From: "jphoenix" - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Jul 2005 15:45:05 -0700 Local: Thurs, Jul 14 2005 2:45 pm Subject: US Centrair Pegasus group? Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Remove | Report Abuse Is there a US group/club/association, however loose, of Pegasus owners out there somewhere? Reason for asking is the FAA is considering the *possibility* of rulemaking regarding the 3000 hour life limit on the aircraft and they're requesting input from interested parties prior to the official rulemaking process. I understand there will be a rulemaking comment period in the future *if* the issue develops into an AD - their request for comments at this time is a preliminary request from the FAA/Industry/Operators Airworthiness Concern Coordination Group. If there is a unified voice, or group of interested owners out there somewhere (US only) send me a reply at , change the netto to net to reply. If you own, or know of, a US registered Pegasus over 3000 hours TT, let me know. Jim 2. Jul 15, 8:39 am show options Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring From: - Find messages by this author Date: 15 Jul 2005 09:39:39 -0700 Local: Fri, Jul 15 2005 8:39 am Subject: US Centrair Pegasus group? Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Jim: I know of no such organization; this Usenet group may be about as close as it comes. Generally, I don't have a problem with life limits if they can be tied to genuine airworthiness concerns (as opposed to, for example, an effort to tail product liability exposure -- not real likely here because of GARA). 3000 hours is a lot of time. I suspect it won't be easy to find a U.S. registered Pegasus anywhere near that range unless it has spent a substantial chunk of its life in club or rental service. (In fact, I wonder what the highest-time glass ship still in service in the U.S. might be.) I'll be interested to hear what you find out and what others think. Mark -- B9 - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - jphoenix wrote: If there is a unified voice, or group of interested owners out there somewhere (US only) send me a reply at , change the netto to net to reply. If you own, or know of, a US registered Pegasus over 3000 hours TT, let me know. Jim 3. jphoenix Jul 15, 9:01 am show options Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring From: "jphoenix" - Find messages by this author Date: 15 Jul 2005 10:01:48 -0700 Local: Fri, Jul 15 2005 9:01 am Subject: US Centrair Pegasus group? Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Remove | Report Abuse Your response is the first I've seen or received. The life limit currently exists in the Flight Manual, however the FAA ACS sheet states that there may be some misunderstanding about the life limit and they may issue rulemaking to clarify (in other words mandate the life limit with a US AD). This is an opportunity for Pegasus owners to influence the creation of the NPRM, if necessary, prior to the NPRM being issued. A description of the ACS process can be found he http://www.faa.gov/certification/air...ceACSGuide.doc This process is followed for al AD's. After the NPRM is published, another period for comment is afforded. I'll post the issue on the gliderforum.com, I see there's a Pegasus thread running there. Jim Jim |
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Yikes, glad I don't have a Pegasus!
The FAA does notify the SSA of pending AD issues through the AACS
process. They receive an e-mail notification of each AD NPRM relating to the type groups they suscribe to (such as gliders) from the AOPA - as do I because I'm the type club representative to the AACS for the 1-26 Association. As a party to the AACS, I can see pre-NPRM issues for all GA types, including gliders, towplanes, Malibus, etc. The AACS process affords interested parties an opportunity to participate in the AD rulemaking in advance of the AD NPRM process. The AOPA is a key player and facilitator in the AACS. Jim |
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Yikes, glad I don't have a Pegasus!
Nyal Williams wrote: Apparently, the $65 dollar figure was for paying an A&P the going rate at a metropolitan airport for a minimum of 1 hour's work to make the pen and ink entry into the maintenance manual. I was considering recommending one of these gliders to a student; too bad! At 03:24 08 December 2005, Shawn wrote: Greg Arnold wrote: Do I correctly understand the AD below to mean that any Pegasus in the US with 3000 hours cannot be flown after January 6, 2006? Certainly would have an effect of the market value of this glider, even one with significantly less than 3000 hours. I notice that someone put one on the market today on the SSA site at $15,000 (it has 3300 hours), which seems somewhat high for glider that can only be flown for the next month. http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...ibrary/rgad.ns f/0/29A8C5DEB81B323F862570BD005416CE?OpenDocument Wow! A million dollars or so worth of gliders (51 ships times $20K each) rendered (pun intended) nearly worthless at 3000 hours. FAA estimates the cost per ship at $65. Instruments and various bits and pieces will have some 'scrap' value, but as ships are retired there will be a glut of parts decreasing their value. :-( Also, this was part of the AD: 'Comments Was the public invited to comment? We provided the public the opportunity to participate in developing this AD. We received no comments on the proposal or on the determination of the cost to the public.' I assume the reason *no one* commented, was because most owners heard nothing??? Does the FAA notify owners of pending ADs (don't recall any with my ship)? Perhaps the SSA should check periodically for such things if they don't already. Any recourse? Major Bummer if not. Shawn |
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Yikes, glad I don't have a Pegasus!
Regarding the question about recourse - you may apply for an alternate
means of compliance or an adjustment to the compliance time (true for any US AD) - however, you will have to develop, or provide, an equivelant level of safety. The FAA guy listed at the bottom of the AD can help you understand what this means and how to do it. If you have a type club, or owners group, get in touch with the AOPA and get on the AACS list. Jim |
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Yikes, glad I don't have a Pegasus!
Nyal Williams wrote: Apparently, the $65 dollar figure was for paying an A&P the going rate at a metropolitan airport for a minimum of 1 hour's work to make the pen and ink entry into the maintenance manual. I was considering recommending one of these gliders to a student; too bad! At 03:24 08 December 2005, Shawn wrote: Greg Arnold wrote: Do I correctly understand the AD below to mean that any Pegasus in the US with 3000 hours cannot be flown after January 6, 2006? Certainly would have an effect of the market value of this glider, even one with significantly less than 3000 hours. I notice that someone put one on the market today on the SSA site at $15,000 (it has 3300 hours), which seems somewhat high for glider that can only be flown for the next month. http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...ibrary/rgad.ns f/0/29A8C5DEB81B323F862570BD005416CE?OpenDocument Wow! A million dollars or so worth of gliders (51 ships times $20K each) rendered (pun intended) nearly worthless at 3000 hours. FAA estimates the cost per ship at $65. Instruments and various bits and pieces will have some 'scrap' value, but as ships are retired there will be a glut of parts decreasing their value. :-( Also, this was part of the AD: 'Comments Was the public invited to comment? We provided the public the opportunity to participate in developing this AD. We received no comments on the proposal or on the determination of the cost to the public.' I assume the reason *no one* commented, was because most owners heard nothing??? Does the FAA notify owners of pending ADs (don't recall any with my ship)? Perhaps the SSA should check periodically for such things if they don't already. Any recourse? Major Bummer if not. Shawn |
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Yikes, glad I don't have a Pegasus!
Looks like a good opertunity to me. The value goes down so its less
expensive to purchase. You buy a 1500 hour ship and its still a lifetime of use for most pilots. As long as the insurance is not effected by the AD it shouldn't matter too much. On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:44:37 -0800, Greg Arnold wrote: Do I correctly understand the AD below to mean that any Pegasus in the US with 3000 hours cannot be flown after January 6, 2006? Certainly would have an effect of the market value of this glider, even one with significantly less than 3000 hours. I notice that someone put one on the market today on the SSA site at $15,000 (it has 3300 hours), which seems somewhat high for glider that can only be flown for the next month. http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...E?OpenDocument |
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