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  #11  
Old June 7th 08, 11:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.fllonk.flonk
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"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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Just having returned from a 400NM trip, I have to say there are other
reasons besides fuel cost that is against GA. Today's automobiles
have come a long way in comfort, speed and convenience. The same
level of comfort only exists in airplanes that cost several million
bucks.

The 95F heat this afternoon made the 10 minute taxi and run-up feel
like an eternity. Even with the cabin fan at full blast we were
suffocating by the time we took off. Then there was the 30 knots
headwind all the way, which increased the trip time by a full hour.
Even with ANR, the noise was physically draining. Now combine this
with a 2-year old in the back seat. I find it is impossible to
justify to your family that this is better way of traveling.

I could not see my family suffer through this ordeal, so I stopped at
an airport and rented a brand new Toyota Prius and told them to drive
it home, one of the best decision I have made in a long time. It was
definitely longer than flying, but it was way more comfy and cost far
less than flying. Next time I have decided to drive for family trips.


Noise, vibration and temperature.

In the past 40 years, the improvement in the automobile has been
remarkable, in the comparable aircraft, almost no change at all.



Not if you fly a 40 year old airplane, moron.


Bertie


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Old June 7th 08, 12:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Not if you fly a 40 year old airplane, moron.


Bertie



You really are thick, aren't you.

You and your replies sound more like Anthony every day.


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Old June 7th 08, 12:22 PM posted to alt.usenet.kooks,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk,rec.aviation.piloting
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"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in news:66u2k.114$QN1.40
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Not if you fly a 40 year old airplane, moron.


Bertie



You really are thick, aren't you.


Thicker than you can handle.


You and your replies sound more like Anthony every day.



Nope, mine are accurate.



Bertie
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Old June 7th 08, 01:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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You really are thick, aren't you.


Thicker than you can handle.


You and your replies sound more like Anthony every day.



Nope, mine are accurate.



Bertie


What a dumb ass. Are you really to stupid to see that you are actually
resolving yourself, through your own actions?

I think a whole lot of people, have given you way too much credit. You prove
yourself more and more incompetent every day!



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Old June 7th 08, 02:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.fllonk.flonk
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"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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You really are thick, aren't you.


Thicker than you can handle.


You and your replies sound more like Anthony every day.



Nope, mine are accurate.



Bertie


What a dumb ass. Are you really to stupid to see that you are actually
resolving yourself, through your own actions?



Resolving myself? Bwawahwhahwhahwh!


Do you even own a dictionary, fjukkard?


I think a whole lot of people, have given you way too much credit. You
prove yourself more and more incompetent every day!


Actually, I haven't.



Bertie
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Old June 7th 08, 02:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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I could not see my family suffer through this ordeal, so I stopped at
an airport and rented a brand new Toyota Prius and told them to drive
it home, one of the best decision I have made in a long time. It was
definitely longer than flying, but it was way more comfy and cost far
less than flying. Next time I have decided to drive for family trips.


That's so ironic, since I just subjected my family to a 1,000 mile *drive*
to Detroit (and back) for the Red Bull Air Races. At first, the kids were
happy, saying "Boy, we've never done anything like this before!"

At hour three, they started to get restless, but were still generally happy.

By hour five, they wanted out.

By hour eight, they never wanted to drive anywhere again. This trip was
the best sales pitch for personal flying, ever -- except for those pesky
Level 5 storms that just wouldn't move away...

Comfort levels. Atlas has XM radio, in-panel CD and (portable) DVD
players, and the back seats are positively spacious -- so the kids'
experience flying has been almost 100% positive since birth. It's at least
as comfortable as driving, with the advantage of having a great view.

Of course, all of that goes away if (when?) gas prices double again.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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Old June 7th 08, 05:46 PM posted to alt.disasters.aviation,alt.usenet.kooks,rec.aviation.piloting
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in
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I could not see my family suffer through this ordeal, so I stopped at
an airport and rented a brand new Toyota Prius and told them to drive
it home, one of the best decision I have made in a long time. It was
definitely longer than flying, but it was way more comfy and cost far
less than flying. Next time I have decided to drive for family trips.


That's so ironic, since I just subjected my family to a 1,000 mile
*drive* to Detroit (and back) for the Red Bull Air Races.


I'll alert Child Protection. Noone should be subjected to you for that
length of time.



Bertie
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Old June 7th 08, 07:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Jun 7, 2:25 am, "Jon Woellhaf" wrote:
Denver to Salt Lake and back. Cessna 182Q. Six hours. $300 for fuel. No
traffic, no road construction, no rough roads, no speed limit, can wander a
quarter mile left or right.

Denver to Salt Lake and back. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Eighteen hours. $200 for
fuel. None of the above.

I'd still rather fly when I can.

Jon


Here is my latest trip:
Buffalo to Dayton. 4 hours in an Archer. $180 fuel, no A/C. Hot humid
and noisy.
Buffalo to Dayton, 8 hours in a Toyota Prius Hybrid, $40 gas, A/C,
comfy seats, hardly hear the engine running.

A 2008 Toyota Prius costs $24k. A 30-year old Archer costs $60k.

I did save 4 hours when flying, but if you consider preflight, taxi
and driving to/from the airport, loading/unloading the airplane from
the car, the time savings start to disappear.


As a pilot for the past 10 years, I would like to justify flying as a
mode of transportation, but I don't see how.

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Old June 7th 08, 07:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Andrew Sarangan wrote in
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On Jun 7, 2:25 am, "Jon Woellhaf" wrote:
Denver to Salt Lake and back. Cessna 182Q. Six hours. $300 for fuel.
No traffic, no road construction, no rough roads, no speed limit, can
wander a quarter mile left or right.

Denver to Salt Lake and back. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Eighteen hours.
$200 for fuel. None of the above.

I'd still rather fly when I can.

Jon


Here is my latest trip:
Buffalo to Dayton. 4 hours in an Archer. $180 fuel, no A/C. Hot humid
and noisy.
Buffalo to Dayton, 8 hours in a Toyota Prius Hybrid, $40 gas, A/C,
comfy seats, hardly hear the engine running.

A 2008 Toyota Prius costs $24k. A 30-year old Archer costs $60k.

I did save 4 hours when flying, but if you consider preflight, taxi
and driving to/from the airport, loading/unloading the airplane from
the car, the time savings start to disappear.


'twas always thus.

As a pilot for the past 10 years, I would like to justify flying as a
mode of transportation, but I don't see how.



You can't and never could. Not unless you had a 310 and someone else was
paying for it.

Bertie

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Old June 7th 08, 07:30 PM posted to alt.disasters.aviation,alt.usenet.kooks,rec.aviation.piloting
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"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in news:BtA2k.3645$yi.2350
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Andrew Sarangan wrote in
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On Jun 7, 2:25 am, "Jon Woellhaf" wrote:
Denver to Salt Lake and back. Cessna 182Q. Six hours. $300 for

fuel.
No traffic, no road construction, no rough roads, no speed limit,

can
wander a quarter mile left or right.

Denver to Salt Lake and back. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Eighteen hours.
$200 for fuel. None of the above.

I'd still rather fly when I can.

Jon

Here is my latest trip:
Buffalo to Dayton. 4 hours in an Archer. $180 fuel, no A/C. Hot

humid
and noisy.
Buffalo to Dayton, 8 hours in a Toyota Prius Hybrid, $40 gas, A/C,
comfy seats, hardly hear the engine running.

A 2008 Toyota Prius costs $24k. A 30-year old Archer costs $60k.

I did save 4 hours when flying, but if you consider preflight, taxi
and driving to/from the airport, loading/unloading the airplane from
the car, the time savings start to disappear.


'twas always thus.

As a pilot for the past 10 years, I would like to justify flying as

a
mode of transportation, but I don't see how.



You can't and never could. Not unless you had a 310 and someone else

was
paying for it.

Bertie


Geez, what a dumb ass.



How so, fjukktard?



Bertie
 




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