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problems with downloading flights from 302
I currently download my flights using 3UTPC256 which creates an IGC file. I
am applying for a state record on one of my flights and we sent the flight file to our state record keeper in the IGC format. He is insisting that we send him a CAI file which he claims is more secure. Can someone help me figure out how to get this flight off of my 302 in CAI. PS: i have SEE- YOU installed on the lap top and it puts an icon before the IGC file name on every flight I download. Thanks. bob holliday USA |
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problems with downloading flights from 302
On Sep 2, 4:25*pm, Robert Holliday wrote:
I currently download my flights using 3UTPC256 which creates an IGC file. I am applying for a state record on one of my flights and we sent the flight file to our state record keeper in the IGC format. He is insisting that we send him a CAI file which he claims is more secure. Can someone help me figure out how to get this flight off of my 302 in CAI. PS: i have SEE- YOU installed on the lap top and it puts an icon before the IGC file name on every flight I download. Thanks. bob holliday USA There is no such thing as a CAI file on the 302. It produces IGC natively. -Tom |
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problems with downloading flights from 302
On Sep 2, 4:38*pm, 5Z wrote:
On Sep 2, 4:25*pm, Robert Holliday wrote: I currently download my flights using 3UTPC256 which creates an IGC file. I am applying for a state record on one of my flights and we sent the flight file to our state record keeper in the IGC format. He is insisting that we send him a CAI file which he claims is more secure. Can someone help me figure out how to get this flight off of my 302 in CAI. PS: i have SEE- YOU installed on the lap top and it puts an icon before the IGC file name on every flight I download. Thanks. bob holliday USA There is no such thing as a CAI file on the 302. *It produces IGC natively. -Tom And the IGC file produced from a 302 is actually more secure than anything out of a Model 20/25 etc that produces a CAI file. The record keeper simply validates a C302 file with the valicam2.exe file (not the valicam that is for the Mode 20/25 etc.). They probably just made a slip thinking this was an older Cambridge (but I'd have hoped they look at the log file header etc. to be sure). Darryl |
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problems with downloading flights from 302
"...The record keeper simply validates a C302 file with the valicam2.exe file..."
By the way, valicam2.exe will not run on a 64-bit computer (most new ones are), and R-Track has no plans to produce a 64-bit version. And Microsoft's 32-bit emulator will only run on the high-end version of Windows 7. So the requirement to run valicam on igc files needs to go away.... |
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problems with downloading flights from 302
On Sep 3, 5:53*am, NG wrote:
"...The record *keeper simply validates a C302 file with the valicam2.exe file..." By the way, valicam2.exe will not run on a 64-bit computer (most new ones are), and R-Track has no plans to produce a 64-bit version. *And Microsoft's 32-bit emulator will only run on the high-end version of Windows 7. *So the requirement to run valicam on igc files needs to go away.... And http://www.dosbox.com or other possible solutions don't work? I guess if you only want to do this via the Microsoft virtual machine route then don't buy the Windows 7 Crap Edition. Sorry it's just impossible to have simultaneous thoughts of sympathy and Microsoft Windows purchaser in my head at the same time. I run valicam2 on my Mac.... Darryl |
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problems with downloading flights from 302
At 12:53 03 September 2010, NG wrote:
By the way, valicam2.exe will not run on a 64-bit computer (most new ones are), and R-Track has no plans to produce a 64-bit version. And Microsoft's 32-bit emulator will only run on the high-end version of Windows 7. So the requirement to run valicam on igc files needs to go away.... or the GNSS flight recorder spec needs updating to keep pace with the march of time and computer OS updates.... http://www.fai.org/gliding/system/fi..._spec_gnss.pdf The last update was in May 2008 so the older DOS based conv/vali/data programs would still run but the push was obviously to move over to the IGC Shell method for windows. Looking on the IGC site http://www.fai.org/gliding/gnss/freeware.asp it looks like cambridge don't supply a DLL to work with the IGC Shell either so they are locking their customers into old DOS utilities. As more people move to 64-bit then the IGC Shell also needs to support this as the ability to run old DOS utilities becomes increasingly harder. However at present Appendix 3 states: "The DLLs must work with 32-bit MS Windows Operating Systems used in types of PCs commonly used for downloading flight data shortly after flight. This includes, but is not exclusive to, Windows XP and Vista home and professional editions." Validating traces is still a valid requirement so the tools to do so need to keep up with times. Nick H |
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problems with downloading flights from 302
On Sep 2, 7:25*pm, Robert Holliday wrote:
I currently download my flights using 3UTPC256 which creates an IGC file. I am applying for a state record on one of my flights and we sent the flight file to our state record keeper in the IGC format. He is insisting that we send him a CAI file which he claims is more secure. Can someone help me figure out how to get this flight off of my 302 in CAI. PS: i have SEE- YOU installed on the lap top and it puts an icon before the IGC file name on every flight I download. Thanks. bob holliday USA There should be a "binary" checkbox on the file transfer utility. Check that, and you will get a CAI file downloaded. -Evan Ludeman / T8 |
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problems with downloading flights from 302
On Sep 2, 4:25*pm, Robert Holliday wrote:
I currently download my flights using 3UTPC256 which creates an IGC file. I am applying for a state record on one of my flights and we sent the flight file to our state record keeper in the IGC format. He is insisting that we send him a CAI file which he claims is more secure. Can someone help me figure out how to get this flight off of my 302 in CAI. PS: i have SEE- YOU installed on the lap top and it puts an icon before the IGC file name on every flight I download. Thanks. bob holliday USA I'd suggest that you and your observer review the IGC approval for the 302. One way to get there is via this link http://www.fai.org/gliding/system/fi...proved_frs.pdf then clicking on cambridge 302 will allow a download of the approval which contains the following: "7. Analysis of Flight Data. Analysis for flights to be validated to IGC criteria should be through the use of a program which complies with IGC rules and procedures and is approved for this purpose by the relevant NAC. For a list of programs which are capable of reading and displaying flight data in the IGC file format, see the fai.org/gliding/gnss web site under the link to SOFTWARE (the full web reference is at the beginning of this document). Before a Flight Performance is officially validated, the authority responsible for validation must check that the data in the IGC file has originated from the Recorder concerned, and has not been altered after it was download from the Recorder to a PC. This is simply done by checking the IGC data file with an authorised copy of the VALICAM2.EXE short program. The VALI program is on a single file and must have originated from the current FAI/IGC web site for software at the beginning of this document. See Annex B for how to use the VALI program file with any IGC flight data file." and "B.2.3 Transferring the Flight Data. The flight data can be transferred to a portable PC at the glider, without disturbing the installation of the FR (see para A7.1). If a portable PC is not available, the OO shall check and break any sealing to the glider, and take the FR to a PC. As this model is designed primarily for panel mounting, this should be avoided wherever possible. If the OO is not familiar with the actions required, the pilot or another person may transfer the data while the OO witnesses the process. Security is maintained by electronic coding embedded in the FR which is then independently checked later at the NAC (and at FAI if the claim goes to them) through the VALIDATE (VALI) program. Method: Use the standard IGC connector cable that has a 9-pin RS232 male connector for the FR and a RS232 female connector for the PC. A current version of the short program file DATCAM2.EXE (or the manufacturer's equivalent Windows-based program) must be available on the PC. The DATACAM2 program is available free from the IGC GNSS web site for software given at the beginning of this document, or through a link from the main fai.org/gliding/gnss web site. The DATA program file can be executed on either a floppy diskette or on the PC hard disk. When the DATA program is executed, the software version is shown at the top of the menu (see under software on page 1, which gives the required version). This program file executes in the normal way such as either by typing "DATACAM2, enter" at a DOS prompt (DOS window or re-boot into DOS mode); or by double- clicking "DATACAM2" in a Windows file list (File Manager for W3x, Windows Explorer for W95/98/ ME or NT/2000/XP). If settings such as the COM port, Baud rate, etc. need to be changed, the help menu is accessed by typing the file name, space, hyphen, then the letter h. In the event of any problems in getting DATACAM2 to work through the hard disk of a PC, install it on a self-booting floppy diskette, re-boot to the diskette and type "DATACAM2". Files produced. This process will automatically produce a *.IGC-format flight data file both with the file name YMDCXXXF, where Y=year, M=month, D=day, C= manufacturer, XXX = FR Serial Number/letters and F = flight number of the day (full key, Appendix 1 to the IGC GNSS FR Specification, also listed in Annex C to the Sporting Code, SC3C)." I don't see any reference to a CAI file not do I think the 302 can produce one. All references are to the IGC file. Andy |
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problems with downloading flights from 302
On Sep 2, 5:23*pm, Andy wrote:
I don't see any reference to a CAI file not do I think the 302 can produce one. All references are to the IGC file. p.s. The assertion that a CAI file is more secure than the IGC file relates to Cambridge recorders that pre-date the 302 series. Those earlier recorders produced ONLY a CAI file and it has to be post processed to create an IGC file that then has no security. Andy |
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problems with downloading flights from 302
On Sep 2, 8:23*pm, Andy wrote:
I don't see any reference to a CAI file not do I think the 302 can produce one. Right, it's not in the docs, anywhere. But it can, and it will. The fact that the binary download is blazingly fast compared to the typical igc d/l causes me to wonder if the 302 uses the old cai format internally and the igc file creation is done 'on the fly' during download. -T8 |
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