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Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote in message ...
[snip] As an aside, I saw a women being interviewed who said she saw smoke *above* the plane right before the collision. Do you suppose they tried to deploy the chute and the smoke she saw was the rocket firing? Could be: http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?...UVFeXkzJmZnYmV sN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk3MDA0MzgxJnlyaXJ5N2Y3MTdmN3ZxZWVFR Xl5Mg== (excuse the hideous URL) .... Hersman said at the late night news conference that the charge that deploys the parachute had fired, but that the parachute remained in a "packed position." ********************** Of course, eyewitnesses aren't always reliable, and the charges could have gone off on impact (just guessing). - Rick |
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Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:28:47 -0400, "Bob Chilcoat"
wrote: I've flown the Hudson corridor many times. Piece of cake if you keep your eyes open, listen (and talk) on the radio, and the fan keeps running (you'll get wet real fast if it stops). The East river's a different animal. Dead end and narrow. I've never gone up it because I'm not convinced that I could turn (or would be willing to bank to the necessary angle) sharply enough at low altitude to get out again. My first thought after hearing that they were cruising on the river in a considerably faster airplane than mine was "They went up the East river?!" Could they simply have run out of room? Can you slow down to make the turn? You could use some of the same techniques they teach for handling granite box canyons to deal with paper box canyons, couldn't you? |
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Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20
Yes, you can tack on a parachute and charge more for the plane.
Oh, BS. The plane is extremely cost-efficient. The parachute was installed and accepted by the FAA as a substitute for spin recovery testing. That doesn't mean anything about conventional spin recovery. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20
Ben,
the Cirrus needed standard spin certification in Europe, Yes, and as far as I know, the standard recovery tests were made for that. But I'm not quite sure. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20
"RK Henry" wrote in message
... Can you slow down to make the turn? You could use some of the same techniques they teach for handling granite box canyons to deal with paper box canyons, couldn't you? Yup, they could've flown more slowly. But their radar track say they were doing 97 knots: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/13/ny...ewanted=2&_r=1 . --Gary |
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Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20
Bob Chilcoat wrote:
My first thought after hearing that they were cruising on the river in a considerably faster airplane than mine was "They went up the East river?!" Could they simply have run out of room? Now that I've learned that the instructor was not an NYC metro area instructor, things start to make sense. A rough theory: - Yankee flies instructor out to fly back to CA with him. - Instructor has never seen NYC from the air - 88 hour pilot takes foreign instructor for sightseeing flight before heading west - The pair go up the wrong river, possibly following one of the amphibs that live up there. - Rather than fessing up and asking for clearance through the LGA space, they attempt impossible turn When I first started to get true facts about the crash, I couldn't believe a local instructor would allow them to be there in the first place, so I suspected a mechanical problem. A new pilot and an unfamiliar instructor changes a bunch of things. |
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Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20
"B A R R Y" wrote in message
om... Now that I've learned that the instructor was not an NYC metro area instructor, things start to make sense. A rough theory: - Yankee flies instructor out to fly back to CA with him. - Instructor has never seen NYC from the air - 88 hour pilot takes foreign instructor for sightseeing flight before heading west - The pair go up the wrong river, possibly following one of the amphibs that live up there. I don't think so. Lidle had reportedly flown the East River corridor previously. I've flown past the southern tip of Manhattan many times, and I can attest that no one could fly up the East river by accident, even if they'd never been to NYC before. Unlike with some terrain, everything there is immediately identifiable by a cursory glance; looking out the window there is like looking at a map. - Rather than fessing up and asking for clearance through the LGA space, they attempt impossible turn The turn isn't remotely impossible. It's a routine maneuver. It just needs to be planned and executed properly. Their radar track suggests that they made the standard trek to the end of the corridor and then attempted the standard U-turn. --Gary |
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Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20
B A R R Y wrote:
- The pair go up the wrong river, possibly following one of the amphibs that live up there. Your first two points make sense, but IMO this is where your theory falls apart. I highly doubt they accidentally went up the East River, given that it is a legal VFR corridor and given that it is very apparent when flying over NY harbor where Manhattan is and how the rivers surround the island. Instead, I speculate that they purposely went up the East River to enjoy the view from that side. - Rather than fessing up and asking for clearance through the LGA space, they attempt impossible turn Most sight-seeing VFR traffic flying up the East River turn around and exit back to the south. The turn is not an impossible turn, if given some planning. -- Peter |
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Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20
Gary Drescher wrote:
I don't think so. Lidle had reportedly flown the East River corridor previously. I've flown past the southern tip of Manhattan many times, and I can attest that no one could fly up the East river by accident, even if they'd never been to NYC before. ----- The turn isn't remotely impossible. It's a routine maneuver. It just needs to be planned and executed properly. I'll take both of responding poster's words for it. I was basing those two comments on a seminar on the VFR corridor I took at an FAA SafetyFest. The presenter paints the turn as very difficult, and stated airplanes do accidentally end up in a difficult situation. Maybe he's referring to somewhere else, further up the East River? I've only flown the Hudson parts, and agree that the Hudson / East intersection is unique looking. I haven't been up the East at less than 5,500. G |
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Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20
"B A R R Y" wrote in message
m... I was basing those two comments on a seminar on the VFR corridor I took at an FAA SafetyFest. The presenter paints the turn as very difficult, and stated airplanes do accidentally end up in a difficult situation. I agree that the East River is unusually challenging (due to its narrowness, the dead end, the high density of traffic, the required low altitude, and the nearby skyscrapers). That's why I've never bothered with it myself. And I agree that an unprepared pilot could accidentally wind up in difficulty there. It's just hard to imagine that flying up the East River in the first place could occur accidentally; you really can't mistake it for the Hudson. --Gary |
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