General Aviation Dead?

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On Monday, October 28, 2013 7:38:55 PM UTC-5, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:36:49 AM UTC-5, Tom wrote:

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:16:41 -0400, MU wrote:







On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Aceâ™* wrote:







On Oct 10, 10:51Â*am, Tom wrote:



On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:39:34 -0400, Quaalude wrote:



"I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air
vents,

or



the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of
it,



and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself,
how

did



it get to this? How could someone let their plane die this way?"







http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/201...eath-of-genera
l-a.

..







GA on the decline? Absolutely. GA making adjustments to thwart that



decline. Hardly. The best/worst example is the Sport Pilot debacle
and



the supposed emergence of "inexpensive" LSA. The LSA has gained
some



ground with geezers who have flunked their medicals but driven a



resurgence of GA? Give me a break.







GA dead? NO. Dying? Like an octogenarian, it's only a matter of
time.







Golly, Tom, do you live in GA the same as MU? lol







A*







Golly Acey I haven't lived in Georgia since 2005. *LOL*







Please keep up like a good demon-troll should.







Regardless of whether GA is in GA or in CA or FL or The Isle Of Wight,



it's dying.







The so-called inexpensive LSA new is typically over $100,000 with



extensive maintenance, fuel and other associated costs. Then with your



crappy Sport Pilot license, you can fly in circles, daylight and good



weather only and enjoy $300 hamburgers.



Sports cheerleaders also need the eyeballs to fly the "imports" from down

Mexico and points south to "customers" in El Norte.





Then "jgrove" ought to be a big supporter of GA.

I prefer the kosher wines with dinner. Burning and ihhaling any kinds of
leaves is just asking for the big "C".

Your brain is already rotted -- being a complete jerk by trying to close
airports. What happened to you?

Fail a checkride?
Were you so incompetent that you couldn't fly a plane safely?

On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:50:17 PM UTC-5, Orval Fairbairn wrote:



Sports cheerleaders also need the eyeballs to fly the "imports" from down



Mexico and points south to "customers" in El Norte.











Then "jgrove" ought to be a big supporter of GA.



I prefer the kosher wines with dinner. Burning and ihhaling any kinds of

leaves is just asking for the big "C".



Your brain is already rotted -- being a complete jerk by trying to close

airports. What happened to you?

The city of Santa Monica must have the same condition as me, they filed a Lawsuit to force the FAA to allow local control of SMO, for a park or anything more useful than a private club for 200 flyboys.



Were you so incompetent that you couldn't fly a plane safely?

I prefer the pilots of AA chaueffering me around the country, thanks.

In article ,
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:50:17 PM UTC-5, Orval Fairbairn wrote:



Sports cheerleaders also need the eyeballs to fly the "imports" from
down



Mexico and points south to "customers" in El Norte.











Then "jgrove" ought to be a big supporter of GA.



I prefer the kosher wines with dinner. Burning and ihhaling any kinds of

leaves is just asking for the big "C".



Your brain is already rotted -- being a complete jerk by trying to close

airports. What happened to you?

The city of Santa Monica must have the same condition as me, they filed a
Lawsuit to force the FAA to allow local control of SMO, for a park or
anything more useful than a private club for 200 flyboys.

Slight problem there -- it seems that at least part of the airport was
granted "in perpetuity" -- what part of that clause don't you understand?

SMO is a center for transportation for many of the prouducers in the
area, rather than for the looters, moochers and drones who wish to close
it.

Were you so incompetent that you couldn't fly a plane safely?

I take the answer is "yes."

I prefer the pilots of AA chaueffering me around the country, thanks.

The only problem with that is that AA doesn't necessarily take you where
you want to go; SMO can, and does so. You can go to anywhere in the
world from SMO or any other GA airport -- and -- you don't have to
depend on somebody else's schedule or routes.

In article
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Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:50:17 PM UTC-5, Orval Fairbairn wrote:



Sports cheerleaders also need the eyeballs to fly the "imports"
from
down



Mexico and points south to "customers" in El Norte.











Then "jgrove" ought to be a big supporter of GA.



I prefer the kosher wines with dinner. Burning and ihhaling any kinds
of

leaves is just asking for the big "C".



Your brain is already rotted -- being a complete jerk by trying to close

airports. What happened to you?

The city of Santa Monica must have the same condition as me, they filed a
Lawsuit to force the FAA to allow local control of SMO, for a park or
anything more useful than a private club for 200 flyboys.

Slight problem there -- it seems that at least part of the airport was
granted "in perpetuity" -- what part of that clause don't you understand?

SMO is a center for transportation for many of the prouducers in the
area, rather than for the looters, moochers and drones who wish to close
it.

Were you so incompetent that you couldn't fly a plane safely?

I take the answer is "yes."

I prefer the pilots of AA chaueffering me around the country, thanks.

The only problem with that is that AA doesn't necessarily take you where
you want to go; SMO can, and does so. You can go to anywhere in the
world from SMO or any other GA airport -- and -- you don't have to
depend on somebody else's schedule or routes.

For more information, see;
http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/A.../aopa-calls-la
wsuit-to-close-santa-monica-airport-meritless.aspx?WT.mc_sect=tts&WT.mc_i
d=131101epilot

On 02/11/13 07:41, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/A.../aopa-calls-la
wsuit-to-close-santa-monica-airport-meritless.aspx?WT.mc_sect=tts&WT.mc_i
d=131101epilot
Only got a 404.
But the graphics are great

"george152" wrote :


http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2013/October/31/aopa-calls-lawsuit-to-close-santa-monica-airport-meritless.aspx?WT.mc_sect=tts&WT.mc_id=131101epilo t

Only got a 404.
But the graphics are great

Here you go. Fixed it! Link works now. You're welcome. g

On 02/11/13 10:12, sambodidley wrote:
"george152" wrote :


http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2013/October/31/aopa-calls-lawsuit-to-close-santa-monica-airport-meritless.aspx?WT.mc_sect=tts&WT.mc_id=131101epilo t

Only got a 404.
But the graphics are great

Here you go. Fixed it! Link works now. You're welcome. g



Thankee sir

On Friday, November 1, 2013 4:12:21 PM UTC-5, sambodidley wrote:


Here you go. Fixed it! Link works now. You're welcome. g

My favorite commenter:

"Everyone here is going to hate me, but.....I think redeveloping SM airport into a modern mixed use neighborhood would be amazing. It would certainly benefit a lot more people than the airport does. You want to talk about jobs? How about the construction that will take place. Then the highly paid knowledge workers will come in and make the area even better. These people won't commute. They'll live in the mixed use housing. The taxes from property and sales in the area will be huge. Its a no brainer.

Yes it sucks that we lose an airport, but the reality is the piston aircraft hobby is a dying one. As far as the 1%ers and their jets/turboprops, I couldn't care less if they have to sit in the back of a limo from Van Nuys to Brentwood.

As a Bonanza pilot in Los Angeles, I'd use the redeveloped airport more than I use the airport right now."..........

Many posters discount noise complainants as living outside of Santa Monica, of course they live in the adjoining city of Los Angeles, which gets all the inbound noise. Face it, the lease expires in 2015 and a Leisure World complex works for me!

In closing, you still have LAX 6 miles away, with plenty of acreage for hangers along the perimeter, and LAX is buying up more land to the NE of the field.

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:54:11 PM UTC-5, Orval Fairbairn wrote:


SMO is a center for transportation for many of the prouducers in the

area, rather than for the looters, moochers and drones who wish to close

it.

Producers of what, dorky movies and TV ?? These VIP can trek the extra long SIX miles to LAX.

Were you so incompetent that you couldn't fly a plane safely?



I take the answer is "yes."



I prefer the pilots of AA chaueffering me around the country, thanks.


I live in the Chicago area and on average fly twice per year, its not economical or conservative for me to take flying lessons. My taxes paid for the flight training for many AA pilots in the USAF, so that works for me. AA has bathrooms and had kitchens, which I like. All the interesting destinations are served by AA, many with nonstop service from ORD. AA has upgraded me to First Class twice and has never stranded me overnight. These days I fly even less because I find Chicago more useful as a vacationing spot. More people come here every year from all over the world.

In article ,
wrote:

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:54:11 PM UTC-5, Orval Fairbairn wrote:


SMO is a center for transportation for many of the prouducers in the

area, rather than for the looters, moochers and drones who wish to close

it.

Producers of what, dorky movies and TV ?? These VIP can trek the extra long
SIX miles to LAX.

Were you so incompetent that you couldn't fly a plane safely?



I take the answer is "yes."



I prefer the pilots of AA chaueffering me around the country, thanks.


I live in the Chicago area and on average fly twice per year, its not
economical or conservative for me to take flying lessons. My taxes paid for
the flight training for many AA pilots in the USAF, so that works for me. AA
has bathrooms and had kitchens, which I like. All the interesting
destinations are served by AA, many with nonstop service from ORD. AA has
upgraded me to First Class twice and has never stranded me overnight. These
days I fly even less because I find Chicago more useful as a vacationing
spot. More people come here every year from all over the world.

If al, the interesting (to you) places are served by AA, then I suggest
that you have a very limited mind and a low threshold of interest.

If you live in Chicago (well-known for its corruption), what in hell are
you doing advocating what you think (I use the term loosely) is good for
Santa Monica?

Why do you hate pilots and airplanes?