Interested in soaring safety? Read this

There is not one mention of gliders in the following article. If this
doesn't convice you, your students, or the undisciplined pilots in
your community to get with the program I don't know what will.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...a_fact_gawande

Matt Michael

Well, I'll be the one who didn't get it.

This article is about intensive care, and how in modern times,
medicine does wonders.

But what does that has to do with soaring?

Thanks

On Dec 14, 3:52 pm, jeplane wrote:
Well, I'll be the one who didn't get it.
This article is about intensive care, and how in modern times,
medicine does wonders.
But what does that has to do with soaring?

I think the parallels for 1,2,3 (below) between hospitals and gliding
are obvious.

1) experienced, highly skilled, and highly self confident people
2) those people doing similar (but slightly different) tasks over and
over again
3) unnecessarily high Bad Things happening

After...
a) introducing *multiple* checklists, one for each task
b) providing an atmosphere in which *everybody* *checked* the highly
skilled people followed the checklists every time
c) actually following the checklists
....Bad Things almost completely stopped happening

Overall, it was a well written article, unfortunately spread over 8
pages

On Dec 15, 7:50 pm, Tom Gardner wrote:
On Dec 14, 3:52 pm, jeplane wrote:

Well, I'll be the one who didn't get it.
This article is about intensive care, and how in modern times,
medicine does wonders.
But what does that has to do with soaring?

I think the parallels for 1,2,3 (below) between hospitals and gliding
are obvious.

1) experienced, highly skilled, and highly self confident people
2) those people doing similar (but slightly different) tasks over and
over again
3) unnecessarily high Bad Things happening

After...
a) introducing *multiple* checklists, one for each task
b) providing an atmosphere in which *everybody* *checked* the highly
skilled people followed the checklists every time
c) actually following the checklists
...Bad Things almost completely stopped happening

Overall, it was a well written article, unfortunately spread over 8
pages

One of the key things seemed to be empowering the nurses to prompt the
doctors where necessary - they often knew the doctors were not
following the procedure but for various reasons didn't intervene. (In
fact I read it that they ended up with a 'checklist' nurse who checked
it all on a clipboard as the procedure was executed) The same occurs
on the flight deck - there have been accidents with commercial traffic
where the FO has realised something is wrong and either not told the
PIC or been overruled. The same attitude of humility is needed there,
and of course in a 2-seat glider.

I spoke to a doctor who recently attended a medical seminar during which
cockpit communications between pilot/copilot/engineer were used to
demonstrate the hazards of misused terminology and too much deference to
authority during incidents and accidents.


"Cats" wrote in message
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On Dec 15, 7:50 pm, Tom Gardner wrote:
On Dec 14, 3:52 pm, jeplane wrote:

Well, I'll be the one who didn't get it.
This article is about intensive care, and how in modern times,
medicine does wonders.
But what does that has to do with soaring?

I think the parallels for 1,2,3 (below) between hospitals and gliding
are obvious.

1) experienced, highly skilled, and highly self confident people
2) those people doing similar (but slightly different) tasks over and
over again
3) unnecessarily high Bad Things happening

After...
a) introducing *multiple* checklists, one for each task
b) providing an atmosphere in which *everybody* *checked* the highly
skilled people followed the checklists every time
c) actually following the checklists
...Bad Things almost completely stopped happening

Overall, it was a well written article, unfortunately spread over 8
pages

One of the key things seemed to be empowering the nurses to prompt the
doctors where necessary - they often knew the doctors were not
following the procedure but for various reasons didn't intervene. (In
fact I read it that they ended up with a 'checklist' nurse who checked
it all on a clipboard as the procedure was executed) The same occurs
on the flight deck - there have been accidents with commercial traffic
where the FO has realised something is wrong and either not told the
PIC or been overruled. The same attitude of humility is needed there,
and of course in a 2-seat glider.

On Dec 16, 9:00 am, Cats wrote:
One of the key things seemed to be empowering the nurses to prompt the
doctors where necessary - they often knew the doctors were not
following the procedure but for various reasons didn't intervene. (In
fact I read it that they ended up with a 'checklist' nurse who checked
it all on a clipboard as the procedure was executed)

Yes, exactly.

The same occurs
on the flight deck - there have been accidents with commercial traffic
where the FO has realised something is wrong and either not told the
PIC or been overruled.

A famous such crash occurred near to me - the PapaIndia Trident
crash at Staines. Cause was overbearing P1 that was subtly
incapacitated by a heart attack; P1 overruled the P2 and the Trident
entered a deep stall.

I opened the link, took a look, and had the same reaction as JePlane
(moi aussi je plane). Must have missed something.

Cheers, Charles

On Dec 14, 7:58 am, wrote:
I opened the link, took a look, and had the same reaction as JePlane
(moi aussi je plane). Must have missed something.

Cheers, Charles

Checklist for B-29! ie. use checklist

On Dec 14, 9:58 am, wrote:
I opened the link, took a look, and had the same reaction as JePlane
(moi aussi je plane). Must have missed something.

Cheers, Charles

well you must not have read the whole article. its about using
checklists in the ICU (i.e. Life Support System). Dramatic decreases
in infections were noted when doctors were bound to follow simple
checklists for seemingly simple tasks. consider your glider as your
ICU for the day every time you go fly. after all, if your Life
Support System fails, you probably wont be far behind it.

Ah? It's all about checklists?

Ok great. Checklist to assemble the wings so we don't forget the
pins.... Checklist before X-country, so we don't forget safety kits
and such...

Yeah great.

But let me tell you, I have a lot more of a list while flying a
Citation in IMC. So why do I fly gliders too? So I can enjoy a lot
more freedom in VMC while minimizing radio calls, FMS programming, and
check-list reading.

It is not only check-list which will save people flying as a hobby. It
is the recency in their logbook.

But I agree: "The checklist is there to protect you, therefore
protect the checklist"

Richard Depinay