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  #31  
Old September 13th 06, 05:21 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
RomeoMike
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BTIZ wrote:
I believe a medical Dr of that "rating" is not qualified to diagnose
depression, that is a psychologist or psychiatric diagnosis.

What "rating" would that be. Anyone licensed to practice medicine can
legally diagnose whatever they wish, whether qualified or not. Wise
doctors stay within their area of expertise.
  #32  
Old September 13th 06, 05:26 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Macklin
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I had a student many years ago. He was a trained and
carrier qualified A7 pilot. Just before his first deployment
to VN, a draftee doctor was giving physical exams to the
flight crew.
The doctor wrote down, "Lt. _____ heart sounds funny." That
was the last time he flew for many years. He served out his
enlistment testing helmets and goggles. Since he wasn't on
flight status he did not get an FAA commercial. He was
finally able to get an FAA medical and he had about 6 months
of his ten years of VA training. Very quickly he got his
commercial and instrument, multi and he still had about
$8,000 left and just about 3 weeks.

He tried to enroll at Flight Safety for a Lear type rating,
but his total time was only about 800 hours and they were
insisting on 1,000 hours logged. The fact that 500 hours
was in single-engine Navy attack fighter and over water and
many carrier landings did not make a difference. Maybe
Cessna Flight Safety would have taken him for a Citation
rating. The guy at Lear kept saying "1,000 hours LOGGED" so
maybe he was just trying to suggest some time be logged just
to make FSI happy.

My normal temperature is about 96.8, when I am at 98.6 I'm
sick, but just try to convince a nurse.



"Emily" wrote in message
news | Matt Whiting wrote:
| snip
|
| My concern is, if he writes this up in my medical
records, do I have
| to report it to the FAA? I'm really terrified of this.
|
| Yes, you have to report it at your next medical
|
| Even though I don't have depression?! 102 degree fever
indicates
| infection, no depression (which I don't have anyway). How
could a
| routine appointment for a fever make me lost my medical?
This is the
| most unfair thing I've ever encountered, just because of
some doctor's
| incompetence. He's making something up, because he
doesn't want to take
| the time to find out what's REALLY wrong. I'm sorry, but
seeing a
| patient for two minutes does not qualify anyone to diagnos
| depression...and the fact that I don't have it means a
lot.
|
| And to take this farther, how do I keep a doctor from
writing all sorts
| of bogus things in my records? Fever and fatigue also are
symptoms of
| AIDS, what if he's written THAT? See what I'm saying?


  #33  
Old September 13th 06, 05:43 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
tony roberts[_1_]
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Hi Emily

You only have to report it if you receive the diagnosis,
So stay the hell away - don't go back to get the diagnosis,
Just walk, go somewhere else and start over.

Does that make sense?

Tony

In article ,
Emily wrote:

I've been running a 102 degree fever for the past two weeks and have
been so tired I can barely get to work. Finally made a doctor's
appointment (with a new doctor) today, but wasn't planning on getting in
the same day and had taken Tylenol for the fever...so no fever when I
showed up.

Long story short, he ordered some blood work, but told me he thinks that
I am depressed, since I have fatigue with no fever. He said that if the
blood work comes back normal, he's writing it up as depression.

Obviously he's an idiot, since 1) fatigue has so many other causes and
2) I don't have depression, never have. This is just a bogus diagnosis.

My concern is, if he writes this up in my medical records, do I have to
report it to the FAA? I'm really terrified of this.





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Tony Roberts
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  #34  
Old September 13th 06, 05:57 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Whiting
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Emily wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:
snip


My concern is, if he writes this up in my medical records, do I have
to report it to the FAA? I'm really terrified of this.



Yes, you have to report it at your next medical



Even though I don't have depression?! 102 degree fever indicates
infection, no depression (which I don't have anyway). How could a
routine appointment for a fever make me lost my medical? This is the
most unfair thing I've ever encountered, just because of some doctor's
incompetence. He's making something up, because he doesn't want to take
the time to find out what's REALLY wrong. I'm sorry, but seeing a
patient for two minutes does not qualify anyone to diagnos
depression...and the fact that I don't have it means a lot.


I don't have a copy of the medical form in front of me, but my
recollection is that even a diagnosis of an illness must be reported.
However, if a second opinion is in conflict, then I think that would
give good grounds to not report the initial diagnosis.


And to take this farther, how do I keep a doctor from writing all sorts
of bogus things in my records? Fever and fatigue also are symptoms of
AIDS, what if he's written THAT? See what I'm saying?


You find a competent doctor to visit next time!

Matt
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Old September 13th 06, 09:25 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Sylvain
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Matt Whiting wrote:

I don't have a copy of the medical form in front of me, but my
recollection is that even a diagnosis of an illness must be reported.


That was my understanding as well. the form 8500-9 asks specifically:
"have you ever in your life been diagnosed" then lists a number of
conditions; it doesn't ask whether you have ever suffered from said
conditions -- and chose to sit it out and wait to get better and/or
remained undiagnosed for whatever reasons -- but whether you have
been diagnosed -- wrongly or not.

--Sylvain
  #36  
Old September 13th 06, 10:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Montblack[_1_]
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("Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote)
Right up to the heart cath, all of the results were false positives. And
of course, I never had any symptoms. As a result, I have zero confidence
that the FAA will do the right thing in any particular instance.



http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2315693&page=1
Talk about false positives. This was weird. I caught about half of it one
night.


Montblack
"...I'm my own grandpa"

  #37  
Old September 13th 06, 11:14 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Cubdriver
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:53:46 -0500, "Gary"
wrote:

I think the medical application does ask about conditions like that, so if
other factors created the condition on the day of visiting the doctor, I'd
get him to acknowledge that, and retest.


If he thinks it's a bad diagnosis, he shouldn't go near that doc
again, but immediately seek a second opinion.

If he suffers from clinical depression, he ought to get treatment for
it. That's the important thing.

With this second doc, I think I would be upfront and tell him what the
problem is (that is, the problem behind the problem): the FAA and his
medical history. These guys (and gals) do like to put names on things.
I told a doctor friend that I'd just been diagnosed with "basal motor
rhinitis" and she said: "What the xxxx is THAT?" So that first
diagnosis might just be the product of a tired mind wanting to get out
of the office. If you tell the doc that a diagnosis of depression
isn't acceptable, then very likely you won't get that diagnosis.

I'm even suspicious of the diagnosis. How does a GP / internist
/whatever diagnose depression on one visit and as a result of a
negative finding on lab tests?

  #38  
Old September 13th 06, 11:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Cubdriver
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:22:42 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:

Yes, you have to report it at your next medical, but I can't remember if
you have to report it right away. I'd call an AME and ask. I think you
also should get a second opinion right away.


I'd do the last one, but I wouldn't do either of the others. If he
believes it's a crackpot diagnosis, why should he take it seriously?
It's not as if this were his regular doctor and he has reason to
believe him.
  #39  
Old September 13th 06, 12:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jon Kraus
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We all have to learn our own lessons I guess... I know I did... :-)

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:



I fear our sweet Emily is too much of a girl scout to keep this to herself. She
probably blabs her guts to the IRS as well. Some people just can't be helped.




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Old September 13th 06, 12:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Stubby
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tony roberts wrote:
Hi Emily

You only have to report it if you receive the diagnosis,
So stay the hell away - don't go back to get the diagnosis,
Just walk, go somewhere else and start over.

Does that make sense?


Yes. But you also have to know that any prescription that is written
for you is part of the record, also. If you are involved in an
accident, the whole record will be researched.
 




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