NOT OT, This is one of the best eulogies I have ever read.

On Jan 11, 7:14*am, Tom wrote:
Over the years, we had several WWII glider pilots show up at Ridge
Soaring Gliderport for a glider ride. For most, it would be their
first glider ride since a harrowing invasionary flight into enemy
territory.

Usually, the family would have bought a gift certificate, and they
would all show up, cameras in hand, for what was a very *moving event.
Often, the man would wear some of the uniform he wore during his
service. One gave us a photo of himself standing beside a CG-4A
glider. The photo hangs on the pilot lounge wall.

A great book is titled, "The Glider Gang."

As I recall, they typically received 25 training flights, including
night landings, then made their next, invasionary flight, some three
months later. The casualty rates were horrific.

Tom Knauff

No doubt, the WWII glider pilot and the troops they carried were
extremely brave men. One only wishes the Allied war planners had used
them more intelligently.

It's interesting to compare the use of gliders by the Allies and
Luftwaffe. The Allied planners seemed to regard gliders as simply
cheap flying delivery trucks. The Luftwaffe seemed to see them as
stealth assault aircraft to carry small unit commandos on raids. The
German DFS-230 was much more of a sailplane than, for example, the
Waco CG-4. The DFS-230 carried only 8 lightly equipped commandos.

We all know the story of gliders used in the D Day landings. Less
well known is the story of Germany's use of gliders in the 1940 Battle
of Fort Eben-Emael in Belgium or the 1943 Gran Sasso Raid to rescue
Mussolini.

bildan wrote:

It's interesting to compare the use of gliders by the Allies and
Luftwaffe. The Allied planners seemed to regard gliders as simply
cheap flying delivery trucks. The Luftwaffe seemed to see them as
stealth assault aircraft to carry small unit commandos on raids. The
German DFS-230 was much more of a sailplane than, for example, the
Waco CG-4. The DFS-230 carried only 8 lightly equipped commandos.

We all know the story of gliders used in the D Day landings. Less
well known is the story of Germany's use of gliders in the 1940 Battle
of Fort Eben-Emael in Belgium or the 1943 Gran Sasso Raid to rescue
Mussolini.

Some Uboats carried tow along auto giro gliders - very pretty to an
engineering eye.

Brian W

On Jan 12, 5:56*am, bildan wrote:
It's interesting to compare the use of gliders by the Allies and
Luftwaffe. *The Allied planners seemed to regard gliders as simply
cheap flying delivery trucks. *The Luftwaffe seemed to see them as
stealth assault aircraft to carry small unit commandos on raids. *The
German DFS-230 was much more of a sailplane than, for example, the
Waco CG-4. *The DFS-230 carried only 8 lightly equipped commandos.

Wikipedia says min sink is 240 fpm and best L/D is 18.

That's really quite respectable!

I'm guessing that min sink speed will be about 40 knots (that would be
240 fpm @ 16.7:1) and best L/D at around 50 knots (which would be 280
fpm).

That's only about 30% worse sink numbers than a 2-33, at the same kind
of speeds.

It should thermal very nicely.