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"Pechs1" wrote in message
Last time...I was an educated, patriotic, healthy young man in the late 60s. Me, too. Did four years NROTC '64-'68. Not a great time to wear a uniform on campus, even at a Jesuit school. The USA was at war, I too wanted to serve my country via the military. Me, too. Choosing the 'national guard' just wasn't in my scan nor in the scan of anybody I knew. So what? Should your narrow horizons govern all who would serve? Is National Guard or Reserve service less honorable than Active Service? I place GWB in the same catagory as those Naval Aviators that pulled strings to stay on the east coast, making Med cruises during VN. I was LANTFLT VS. My brother in law LANTFLT HS. Some of my classmates were LANTFLT VP, VF, VA, VAW, VR, VRC, etc.. We went where we told to go. No strings pulled, just "dream sheets" like anyone else. What we may, or may not, have put on those sheets are between us and our detailers and God. Or are "dreamsheets" now "strings"? No one questions your choice. You made it. You live with its consequences. That choice neither elevates nor demeans you morally or ethically. Frankly, the entire issue amounts to a mosquito fart in a hurricane. The evidence appears to be that Kerry was an effective JO under fire. That neither makes him more nor less qualified to be C-in-C. We don't know what Bush might have done under fire. This neither makes him more nor less qualified to be C-in-C. We do know that Kerry declared his opposition ot the War upon his return to CONUS and stated that he would return his medals. He did not do so. That makes him either a liar or constitutes his first, big "flip-flop." Either way it raises questions in my mind. We also know that Kerry has "carried water" for Teddy K. for decades. When a Kennedy says "frog" then Kerry jumps. We know that his legislative record as a senator is remarklybly blank. We know that he is a very rich, very liberal MA politician married to an even richer wife. Somehow this does not, necessarily, equate to concern for either the common man or the average veteran. Regarding W, I am a V2R (Very Reluctant Republican). I seriously mistrust many of the "social conservatives" that surround him. His performance at Bob Jones University damn near made me stay home on '2000. But, living in TN, I knew enough about Prince Albert to know that he was not the guy I wanted to be C-in-C (in spite of his "Vietnam Combat Experience). Thus, my reluctant choice. His performance in office up to 9/11 was in the finest traditions of Millard Filmore. But, then, he got an opportunity to excell. And, IMO, has done a much better job that the Prince would have done. Since the Prince and Kerry are cut from the same cloth (rich, liberals living in the shelter of their family's connections) my choice is, again, to be a V2R. I lived as a USN and a USNR. There were men of honor and scoundrals in both worlds. Such is life. Bill Kambic Mangalarga Marchador: Uma raça, uma paixão |
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"Pechs1" wrote in message ... the ANG(a flying club using USAF equipment), You know Pechs, I for one deeply resent your insistent back door implications about the ANG, and I don't give a rat's ass which side of the political coin you have chosen. That's your business. Frankly, I wouldn't expect to be reading crap like this coming from you. You,above all people should know better. I'm here to tell you that flying high performance airplanes in any man's cockpit is a GD dangerous business, and it doesn't matter a rat's damn whether you're in the guard or the active AF. My best friend died in a guard F86 when the GD maintenance nightmare J47 he had under him swallowed a f*****g bucket on pitchout with his side of the pattern over a heavily populated area. He did his best to point the damn thing in a marsh before he punched, but by that time he was way too low and way out of the seat envelope. He got out, but hit strapped in the seat; so don't try and tell me the ANG is a soft ticket. I don't know what Bush's aims were and frankly I don't give a damn. The 102 was no easy ride, and the guard isn't the softest place to be on many occasions! Woody's right! So ease up pardner; you're WAY off base here! Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the at with what goes there and take out the Z's please! dhenriquesZatZearthZlinkZdotZnet |
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Dudley You know Pechs, I for one deeply resent your insistent back door
implications about the ANG BRBR Calm down and try to read all of my posts. I never said the ANG wasn't flying dangferous A/C but the ANG is not the USAF. It is different organization, different ways of doing business. Try to step back and look at the world in 1968 when this so called 'patriot' who wanted to 'serve his country' decided to join the national guard instad of going into the 'military'. Ya know, flying anything is dangerous and some of the very best pilots I have ever fought were ANG or USN reserve guys but try to see the context of what I'm saying. Dudley- I don't know what Bush's aims were and frankly I don't give a damn BRBR Do ya care what Kerry's aims were? can't have it both ways. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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Doug- No question that serving in the ANG was a better deal than going to
Viet Nam in an active duty unit-- BRBR Sorry, don't get this. Altho nobody in the military wants to go to combat, I would have liked to experience it. The people I have read about, including Ed R., view SEA combat operations as the best times of their military careers. Doug Frankly, if I had a child that wanted to go USN active duty aviation, I'd advise them against it, and suggest trying for an ANG unit too. Viet Nam or not. It's still a better deal. BRBR Surprised at you. Why? P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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charlie- Why did serve in the Navy, Commander? You could have been a Marine,
or a special forces, or a SEAL or a plane captain, or a ??????? BRBR Wanted to fly in the active duty Navy off CVs, fleet aviator, which I view as the best of the best. I went to HS and college during the midst of the VN war, and continued the path regardless of this. I did my best and would have been sent to where ever the USN told me to go. West or east. Even a fast track into a CV/squadron on Yankee station. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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Bill- So what? Should your narrow horizons govern all who would serve? Is
National Guard or Reserve service less honorable than Active Service? BRBR In general no, but during a 'war', it just doesn't make sense to me. It would be like just after 9/11 or Pearl Harbor, a yound man would join the 'guard' instead of the active duty military. Bill- Frankly, the entire issue amounts to a mosquito fart in a hurricane. The evidence appears to be that Kerry was an effective JO under fire. That neither makes him more nor less qualified to be C-in-C. We don't know what Bush might have done under fire. This neither makes him more nor less qualified to be C-in-C. BRBR That's the crux of my beef. Throwing stones at an active duty USN officer, by a group that supports somebody that was not(including his VP). This is over for me. I will focus on the election considering other things like Iraq, the envionment, the economy, health care...... P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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"Pechs1" wrote in message ... Dudley You know Pechs, I for one deeply resent your insistent back door implications about the ANG BRBR Calm down and try to read all of my posts. I never said the ANG wasn't flying dangferous A/C but the ANG is not the USAF. It is different organization, different ways of doing business. Try to step back and look at the world in 1968 when this so called 'patriot' who wanted to 'serve his country' decided to join the national guard instad of going into the 'military'. Ya know, flying anything is dangerous and some of the very best pilots I have ever fought were ANG or USN reserve guys but try to see the context of what I'm saying. Dudley- I don't know what Bush's aims were and frankly I don't give a damn BRBR Do ya care what Kerry's aims were? can't have it both ways. As far as I'm concerned, you're taking your politics and putting them in my cockpit. What you have said about the ANG has absolutely nothing to do with politics. Your opinions about the President are a separate issue, and you above all people should know that. Your comments about either Bush or Kerry is you own business, but when you start branching off that context into saying that the ANG "is a flying club using Air Force Equipment", you're WAY out of line with me anyway! You will notice as an indication of my point, that I have not had to get into politics at all in dealing with you on this issue. I'm sorry we have to disagree, and it's perfectly ok with me that you have political fervor and the need to express it; but FWIW, the Air National Guard is NOT a flying club using Air Force equipment, and you can take THAT to the bank and Ps on it! Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the at with what goes there and take out the Z's please! dhenriquesZatZearthZlinkZdotZnet |
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"Pechs1" wrote in message
Bill- So what? Should your narrow horizons govern all who would serve? Is National Guard or Reserve service less honorable than Active Service? BRBR In general no, but during a 'war', it just doesn't make sense to me. OK. It would be like just after 9/11 or Pearl Harbor, a yound man would join the 'guard' instead of the active duty military. Or maybe the Coast Guard? Again, don't allow your prejudices to blacken the decisions of others who may have/had very good reasons for doing what they are/were doing. Bill- Frankly, the entire issue amounts to a mosquito fart in a hurricane. The evidence appears to be that Kerry was an effective JO under fire. That neither makes him more nor less qualified to be C-in-C. We don't know what Bush might have done under fire. This neither makes him more nor less qualified to be C-in-C. BRBR That's the crux of my beef. Throwing stones at an active duty USN officer, by a group that supports somebody that was not(including his VP). Asking a question is not "throwing stones." The motivation of the questioner has nothing to do with accuracy of the answer. This is over for me. I will focus on the election considering other things like Iraq, the envionment, the economy, health care...... Good choice. Bill Kambic Mangalarga Marchador: Uma raça, uma paixão |
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