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Old February 13th 18, 11:40 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation,alt.binaries.humor.skewed
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Default If you think a 28" seat pitch is a tight fit --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qsyrcTWU1k

Hell, I'd rather stand and hang on to a strap than fly Cattle Class:
https://tinyurl.com/y89fapaa
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Old February 14th 18, 11:27 AM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation,alt.binaries.humor.skewed
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Default If you think a 28" seat pitch is a tight fit --

On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:40:01 -0600, "Byker" wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qsyrcTWU1k

Hell, I'd rather stand and hang on to a strap than fly Cattle Class:
https://tinyurl.com/y89fapaa


Knees, schmees...
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Old February 14th 18, 06:17 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation,alt.binaries.humor.skewed
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Default If you think a 28" seat pitch is a tight fit --

"Bob (not my real pseudonym)" wrote in message
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Knees, schmees...


The airlines will keep these Seat Wars escalating until there's a crash
landing and fire, and a lot of passengers won't be able to evacuate the
plane in time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTvPSyrQIo
https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=19800819-1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudia_Flight_163
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Safety risk of shrinking airline seats questioned

By ASSOCIATED PRESS
APR 14, 2015

The shrinking space on airplanes is surely uncomfortable, but it might also
be dangerous for passengers' health and safety.

Planes are filled with more passengers than ever before. Fliers are older
and heavier. Flight attendants warn about an increase in air rage, and
experts question if having rows of seats packed closer together might make
it harder for passengers to evacuate after a crash.

A consumer advisory group set up by the Department of Transportation dove
into all those issues Tuesday at a public hearing as part of its role to
make non-binding suggestions to government regulators.

Fliers last summer squeezed into the least amount of personal space in the
history of flying. In July, U.S. airlines sold a record 87.8 percent of
seats on domestic flights, according to the Bureau of Transportation
Statics. And that figure does not include all the seats occupied by
passengers who redeemed frequent flier miles or airline employees flying for
free.

"Unfortunately, the days of the empty middle seat are a thing of the past,"
said Julie Frederick, a representative for the American Airlines flight
attendants union.

Following the implementation of checked-bag fees in 2008, Frederick said,
more and more passengers are carrying on bags, fighting for overhead bin
space. That anger carries over through the flight as passengers bump elbows
on armrests and bang their knees against tray tables. She said there are
more cases of air rage, many which go unreported.

Questions were also raised if the increased density of seats means
passengers won't be able to evacuate fast enough after a crash.

The Federal Aviation Administration runs various tests including how fast
passengers can evacuate a plane and how fast they can put on a life
preserver.

But Cynthia Corbertt, a human factors researcher with the FAA, testified
that it conducts those tests using planes with 31 inches between each row of
seats. Many passenger jets today have less legroom. For instance, United
Airlines has 30 inches of room, known as pitch, on some jets; Spirit
Airlines offers 28 inches.

"We just haven't considered other pitches," Corbertt told the Advisory
Committee for Aviation Consumer Protection.

Before any new jet is allowed to fly, the manufacturer must prove that
everybody can evacuate in 90 seconds with half of the exits blocked.

Carry-on baggage is strewn throughout the cabin, and the test is conducted
in night-like conditions. However, the cabin is not filled with smoke, and
all of the passengers are physically fit, dressed in athletic clothing and
know that an evacuation is coming.

"We'd like to see more realistic simulations," Frederick testified. She
added that most passengers don't pay attention to pre-flight safety
briefings, especially now that they can use electronic devices from gate to
gate.

Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane, who chairs the DOT committee,
noted concern that the FAA does not factor in human panic, especially
parents who might take extra time to ensure their children are safe before
evacuating.

"So they aren't the average traveler, quite honestly," Kane said.

On long flights, there is another risk for fliers: deep vein thrombosis,
where a blood clot forms, typically in a leg vein. If that clot gets lose
and travels into the lungs, it can cause a blockage.

Nimia L. Reyes, a medical officer with the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, said that seat size isn't necessarily a factor in people
developing the clots or not. The real issue, she said, was how able
passengers are to get up, walk around and stretch. Those in window seats
have twice the risk of getting deep vein thrombosis than those on the aisle
seats.

Producing more legroom isn't that simple.

After years of major losses and a wave of bankruptcies, airlines are finally
profitable again after adding baggage fees and increasing the number of
seats on jets. Last year, U.S. carriers earned more than a combined $11
billion.

Airlines do offer coach passengers more legroom, if they are willing to pay
for it — often $50 extra each way. Many travelers aren't.

Keith Hansen, director of government affairs for budget carrier Allegiant
Air, said the No. 1 thing vacationers care about is price.

"The only way we can offer a low airfare … is to increase the seating
density so we can divide the cost of operating a flight among the greatest
number of people possible," Hansen said.

The DOT has seen an increase in passenger complaints but few regarding seat
recline or personal space, said Blane Workie, a committee member and the
department's assistant general counsel for aviation enforcement and
proceedings.

David A. Berg, a member of the DOT committee and general counsel for the
airline industry's trade and lobbying group, Airlines for America, asked how
airlines would respond if the government created a new rule requiring a
minimum amount of legroom.

"If airlines are forced to reduce the number of seats," Hansen replied,
"inevitably there would be an increase and it would price out part of the
traveling public."

Charlie Leocha, the consumer representative on the committee, said the
government sets standards for the conditions for dogs flying as cargo.

"In a world where animals have more rights to space and food than humans,"
Leocha said, "it is time that the DOT and FAA take a stand for humane
treatment of passengers."

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...414-story.html

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