Where can I train in a PW-6? Seminole Lake's is down for maintenancefor a couple of months

If a brilliant idea doesn't work out, maybe it wasn't thÃ*t brilliant?

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:39:28 AM UTC+3, Tango Whisky wrote:
If a brilliant idea doesn't work out, maybe it wasn't thÃ*t brilliant?

Or maybe the market timing was wrong, or maybe the execution wasn't good enough, or maybe the choice of winner was bad, or maybe the technology wasn't quite there in 1989-1993 to meet all the goals without too much compromise..

At 09:18 07 September 2017, Bruce Hoult wrote:
On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:39:28 AM UTC+3, Tango Whisky
wrote:
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or maybe it wasn't supported by several prominent national
aeroclubs/national gliding organisations which primarily have leadership
dominated by wealthy individuals with expensive toys that tend to over
focus resources on their bit of the playing field and not on others.

Le jeudi 7 septembre 2017 13:30:07 UTC+2, Paul T a écritÂ*:
or maybe it wasn't supported by several prominent national
aeroclubs/national gliding organisations which primarily have leadership
dominated by wealthy individuals with expensive toys that tend to over
focus resources on their bit of the playing field and not on others.

Nonsense. In the price range of the PW5, and below, there has always been the Club class (or Sports class) which is extremely popular in Europe.

The PW5 story stalled because there was just no incentive to buy a brand new, very ugly glider when you can have more performance for less money by buying a nice looking Cirrus.

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 5:27:18 PM UTC+3, Tango Whisky wrote:
Le jeudi 7 septembre 2017 13:30:07 UTC+2, Paul T a écritÂ*:
or maybe it wasn't supported by several prominent national
aeroclubs/national gliding organisations which primarily have leadership
dominated by wealthy individuals with expensive toys that tend to over
focus resources on their bit of the playing field and not on others.

Nonsense. In the price range of the PW5, and below, there has always been the Club class (or Sports class) which is extremely popular in Europe.

The PW5 story stalled because there was just no incentive to buy a brand new, very ugly glider when you can have more performance for less money by buying a nice looking Cirrus.

That's only possible in a declining sport.

Which, I assume, we don't want even though we seem to have it.

How would you reverse it?

At 14:27 07 September 2017, Tango Whisky wrote:
Le jeudi 7 septembre 2017 13:30:07 UTC+2, Paul T a
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NO there hasn't always been the Club Class - that didn't evolve until the
90's - and that took awhile to get established for the same reasons. You
think a Std. Cirrus is nice looking? Looks like a humped back whale to me -

always thought it was the ugliest of the first generation Std. Class ships.

At 14:27 07 September 2017, Tango Whisky wrote:
Le jeudi 7 septembre 2017 13:30:07 UTC+2, Paul T a
=C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
or maybe it wasn't supported by several prominent national=20
aeroclubs/national gliding organisations which primarily have
leadership=
=20
dominated by wealthy individuals with expensive toys that tend to
over=20
focus resources on their bit of the playing field and not on others.

Nonsense. In the price range of the PW5, and below, there has always
been
t=
he Club class (or Sports class) which is extremely popular in Europe.

The PW5 story stalled because there was just no incentive to buy a
brand
ne=
w, very ugly glider when you can have more performance for less
money by
bu=
ying a nice looking Cirrus.


So now we have 6 classes for the 'rich boys' and 1 class for the
'poorer/average income guys' and a sport that is in serious decline. As
stated the PW5 was meant to be a first solo club ship that could be used
in competition - just like a modern 1-26. Some aeroclubs/national
organisations got on board with this, some did not - and there was
certainly a lot of 'snobbery' re the PW5.

Entry point club class $20-25k
Entry point Std class $60k+
Entry point 15m class $ 80k+
Entry point 18m class $ 150k+
Entry point 20m class $150 k+
Entry point Open class $ 200k+

Entry point for ex World Class $20-25k. Entry point for 13.5m Class $100k+

and we wonder why the sport is in decline?

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 1:30:05 PM UTC-5, Paul T wrote:
Entry point club class $20-25k
Entry point Std class $60k+
Entry point 15m class $ 80k+
Entry point 18m class $ 150k+
Entry point 20m class $150 k+
Entry point Open class $ 200k+

Entry point for ex World Class $20-25k. Entry point for 13.5m Class $100k+

and we wonder why the sport is in decline?

If anyone wants a nice entry-level 15m glider I'll happily sell my LS6-b for $79,999. Proven contest racer able to keep up with -27s on a good day (especially in weaker eastern conditions) with a good stick actuator.

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Just to point out, there are three ASW-27's on WW for about the same price, see thread on "falling ASW-27 prices". One having been re-finished in PU.

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 2:36:11 PM UTC-7, kirk.stant wrote:
On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 1:30:05 PM UTC-5, Paul T wrote:
Entry point club class $20-25k
Entry point Std class $60k+
Entry point 15m class $ 80k+
Entry point 18m class $ 150k+
Entry point 20m class $150 k+
Entry point Open class $ 200k+

Entry point for ex World Class $20-25k. Entry point for 13.5m Class $100k+

and we wonder why the sport is in decline?

If anyone wants a nice entry-level 15m glider I'll happily sell my LS6-b for $79,999. Proven contest racer able to keep up with -27s on a good day (especially in weaker eastern conditions) with a good stick actuator.

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