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New IFR Currency requirements...!
On 02/25/07 11:18, Bonehenge (B A R R Y) wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:49:03 -0500, Roy Smith wrote: I suppose 50 miles is somewhat arbitrary, but it seems to me that the whole point here is to get people away from their familiar home environment. If taking two 50 mile flights twice a year is a hardship, I don't understand what people are doing with their ratings. You'd think actually using the rating would at least meet the minimum currency requirements. The currency requires actual or simulated IMC. Actual IMC may be hard to come by in some areas, so you're left with simulated (and the safety pilot which that requires). You could fly IFR every day, yet still need to get a safety pilot and do the currency every six months. I'm not so sure I'd want to fly with someone who continually was worried about flying just enough to stay legally current. -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:55:27 -0800, Mark Hansen
wrote: The currency requires actual or simulated IMC. Actual IMC may be hard to come by in some areas, so you're left with simulated (and the safety pilot which that requires). I know. Have you ever been to an FBO that isn't full of pilots looking to build hours (often working for peanuts as line people) willing to log safety pilot time? I haven't, the flyers are all over the board. Now if you're talking multi, or stuff that needs a type rating, that's one thing, but most safety pilots simply need to be a private pilot, possibly with a complex endorsement. The multi's and type rated stuff probably sees enough actual that currency comes easily. |
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Guillermo wrote:
(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point. I'm having trouble understanding why this part is in the regulation. Is it merely stating the obvious, or is there some other way of navigating that isn't covered by this? .... Alan -- Alan Gerber PP-ASEL gerber AT panix DOT com |
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Alan Gerber wrote: Guillermo wrote: (D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point. I'm having trouble understanding why this part is in the regulation. Is it merely stating the obvious, or is there some other way of navigating that isn't covered by this? ... Alan Vectors. Also, a strict reading of the regulation would say that if you just take off in a random direction, wander around totally lost for an hour, happen to find an airport by pure luck and land, it shouldn't count as X/C time. I suppose if you're flying formation, only the lead would get to log X/C time. |
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On 24 Feb 2007 22:14:22 -0800, "Dan" wrote:
So what does everyone think about the proposed new IFR currency requirements? The major changes seem to be that 1 hour of cross- country time will be required, along with six approaches, consisting of BOTH precision and non-precision, and two types of holds. Some of this can be completed in a PCATD, but an instructor must be present. (I wonder if a remote MSFS console via the Internet counts..) I make no guarantee for the accuracy of my interpretation of what I think they said or what they meant. It would still need to be approved and as MS emphatically states MSFS is a game I seriously doubt it'd be accepted.:-)) OTOH it's supposed to represent the plane, or class of plane the pilot flies. I think there is going to be a fair amount of rewording between now and the final document. We are not going to be doing unusual attitude recoveries at Vne in my plane VFR or IFR! There is a very fine line between staying safe and breaking something when moving at Vne. I'm pretty sure what they meant and I don't think it's quite what they said. Most of it sounds OK to me, however I think the 1 hour of cross- country time is pointless. What would be considered cross-country? It is a little vague... The way it is phrased I read it as just flying between to points that are far enough apart require using departure and approach at each airport and fit in the tracking and interception part for a total of one hour. IOW it's a pretty short cross county:-)) As it requires flying a missed a lot of the requirements could be combined. They probably intend it to be "more than" 50 miles between airports, but who knows. To me, that amounts to nothing more than following a course, airway, radials, or vectors and I don't think it'd add much of anything to experience. If a pilot can do the approaches and holds they certainly can fly from point A to point B. About the only thing the cross country would do that's not in an approach the way it's phrased *might* include being handed off to a center some where. Otherwise you get the same thing flying approaches. Here is the link: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...df/E7-1467.pdf The interesting bit starts on page 31 of the PDF. Other than the PCATD it sounds much like it was before then went to the current requirements. That and changing the definitions from "at least" to "More than" which seems kinda needless and could cause some problems in some cases. --Dan Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:48:24 -0500, Roger
wrote: On 24 Feb 2007 22:14:22 -0800, "Dan" wrote: So what does everyone think about the proposed new IFR currency requirements? The major changes seem to be that 1 hour of cross- country time will be required, along with six approaches, consisting of BOTH precision and non-precision, and two types of holds. Some of this can be completed in a PCATD, but an instructor must be present. (I wonder if a remote MSFS console via the Internet counts..) I make no guarantee for the accuracy of my interpretation of what I think they said or what they meant. It would still need to be approved and as MS emphatically states MSFS is a game I seriously doubt it'd be accepted.:-)) OTOH it's supposed to represent the plane, or class of plane the pilot flies. I think there is going to be a fair amount of rewording between now and the final document. We are not going to be doing unusual attitude recoveries at Vne in my plane VFR or IFR! There is a very fine line between staying safe and breaking something when moving at Vne. I'm pretty sure what they meant and I don't think it's quite what they said. Most of it sounds OK to me, however I think the 1 hour of cross- country time is pointless. What would be considered cross-country? It is a little vague... The way it is phrased I read it as just flying between to points that are far enough apart require using departure and approach at each airport and fit in the tracking and interception part for a total of one hour. IOW it's a pretty short cross county:-)) As it requires flying a missed a lot of the requirements could be combined. They probably intend it to be "more than" 50 miles between airports, but who knows. To me, that amounts to nothing more than following a course, airway, radials, or vectors and I don't think it'd add much of anything to experience. If a pilot can do the approaches and holds they certainly can fly from point A to point B. About the only thing the cross country would do that's not in an approach the way it's phrased *might* include being handed off to a center some where. Otherwise you get the same thing flying approaches. Here is the link: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...df/E7-1467.pdf The interesting bit starts on page 31 of the PDF. Other than the PCATD it sounds much like it was before then went to the current requirements. That and changing the definitions from "at least" to "More than" which seems kinda needless and could cause some problems in some cases. --Dan Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com Nowhere in the proposal is unusual attitudes mentioned where it is required they be done in an aircraft. |
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Travis Marlatte wrote:
This is for currency. If one doesn't fly any real IFR over a six-month period, then requiring a little enroute flying with the appropriate transitions at the ends seems reasonable. It is the wording that bothers me. It seems to imply that currency would include a single flight that entails all the transitions and enroute time. What if I had an hour of real IFR and an approach or two and just needed to fill in the gaps? Those of us who make a living flying (past tense for me ;-) get a whole lot of actual IFR. Yet, we find ourselves in the sim doing the whole drill once or twice a year. I think it is not unreasonable to have a non-commercial pilot show he can do the full drill on a periodic basis, even though he has a fair amount of actual IMC time logged recently. After I retired I did a few ICCs in an approved training device rather than in an airplane. Those ATD ICCs were done by a couple of very good CFI-Is. We did the full drill, departure, short en route (tower to tower Los Angeles Basin routes), hold, arrival, transitions; all of it. Based on my experience as a commercial pilot and former CFI-I I feel the benefit to both me and the CFI-I's evaluation of me, was done far bettr in the ATD. The real point, though, is successful accomplishment of the full, but short, "X-Country." |
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The real point, though, is successful accomplishment of the full, but short, "X-Country."
But what's the point of that, if it can be shown through other means that it is likely that one could accomplish a full cross country? Jose -- Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully understands this holds the world in his hands. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
Jose wrote:
The real point, though, is successful accomplishment of the full, but short, "X-Country." But what's the point of that, if it can be shown through other means that it is likely that one could accomplish a full cross country? Jose There is no means quite as good as having a CFI-I work through the flight with the pilot. |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
There is no means quite as good as having a CFI-I work through the flight with the pilot.
Well, then why not have the CFI-I work through every flight? After all, even after demonstrating takeoff, holds, cruise, and an ILS approach to minimums at night in a driving rainstorm ending in a successful landing with an obligatory full stop before taking off again does not prove that the pilot is capable of doing an NDB during the day in calm winds, or landing on a short runway after a VOR approach, or successfully executing a go-around if a spotted deer is spotted on the runway after an otherwise uneventful GPS approach (which has not been demonstrated either). There are reasonable limits as to what we have to prove all the time, and there are cost/benefit judgements to be made. Jose -- Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully understands this holds the world in his hands. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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