best US jet vs Russian jets?

"Stinky Pete" wrote in message
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Germany just barely avoided chopping its order.

A miss is as good as a mile

JSF is the Faberge egg of fighters. Not many can afford them.

Its a bargaing compared to the F-22


So why not
compare the JSF? JSF will sell literally thousands of aircraft.

Because the JSF is a fine STRIKE aircraft and passable fighter.
Its an F-16 replacement rather than an upgrade for the F-15

The second
batch of Euroblighters will stall in contract negotiations for most if not
all of this year. It seems the lovey-dovey partners can't agree on what
weapons systems to put in and how much they will cost. So the numbers you
mention above are a long way from reality. JSF will probably surpass those
numbers easily...and its not even in production yet.


Quite so but in the RAF JSF will be replacing the Harrier not
the Tornado F3


Germany came real
close to bailing out of the Eurofighter program. If it wasn't for
India,
Russia wouldn't sell anything either.


This is a silly thing to say when you consider the large number of
nations
operating Sukhoi and Mig aircraft.


Old ones. At some point though, India will have crashed all the old ones
and
then they'll have to buy new.


Su-30's seem to be selling rather better than F-22's in the export market

Keith

"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" wrote:

The Black Monk quoted from:

Malaysia's Arms Purchases Raise Eyebrows
by BARADAN KUPPUSAMY
KUALA LUMPUR —
.............................

Malaysia was happy too — to get a squadron of advanced Sukhoi MK30
fighter jets, paying 270 million dollars of the 900 million Sukhoi
deal in palm oil — the country's leading export.

It looks like russia is about to start up, or increase it soap
production
I wonder if it will be hard laundry soap, for its dirty laundry,
or toilet soap,
or soft soap ?

Sounds good to me! I hear gold production will be going up as well!

Grantland

who do you think would win in a fight? putin or bush?

I think Bush is in better shape, but Putins got him in size...I think??


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

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I believe Arafat will outlast Sharon politically.

Probably.

Eventually Sharon will loose an election

Sharon is in trouble now.

Arafat is in for life

Christian Arabs have nowhere lese to go.

It's the difference between a democratically elected politician and a
tyrant...

Not exactly.



Surely that's pretty much the textbook definition of the difference between
the two...?!

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...

Saab have sold around 40 Gripen to SA and Hungary, and are
negotiating with the Brazilians.

But it's almost sure they won't sell the Gripen here. Competitors to
replace the aging Mirage IIIE's based in Anápolis are the Su-35, SAAB
Gripen, F-16 and the Miragge 2000-5 (let's forget the MiG-29). Seems
like Air Force's aircraft of choice is the Su-35 and the "political"
choice is the Mirage 2000-5. The Mirage is built by Dassault, who is
one of the members of the european consortium who owns 20% of EMBRAER,
which is a strong political "card in the sleeve". OTOH, magazines and
newspapers say the russians are offering full tech transfer, including
of weapons, and a very stron economical "compensation". The Gripen has
been considered too short-legged and subject to restritions by the US
(engine, etc...).

Final decision should come out in March, unless it is postponed for
the 200th time. Let's see :-)

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I believe Arafat will outlast Sharon politically.

Probably.

Eventually Sharon will loose an election

Sharon is in trouble now.

Arafat is in for life

Christian Arabs have nowhere lese to go.

It's the difference between a democratically elected politician and a
tyrant...

Not exactly.

Surely that's pretty much the textbook definition of the difference
between
the two...?!

That would depend on who's textbook you read. Arafat has no problem winning
elections and Sharon is about all done. Where else do you think Christian
Arabs have to go? Israel has plenty of options other than Sharon.

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"ville terminale" wrote in message
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i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

It might depend on the pilot......I remember Chuck Yeager and another Air
Force officer debated wether the F86 or Mig15 was a better plane. The
settled it by taking turns in each plane and dogfighting each
other......Yeager waxed him good both times.......

Now in fairness technology is quite a bit different now....but I bet a Mig29
would be a good match for it's counterpart in the West.


okay, what if there were two yeagers and one piloted the mig while other the f86?

(David Thornley) wrote in message m...
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ville terminale wrote:
i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

The quality of the pilot is much more important than the quality
of the fighter. The nature of the engagement is also more important
than the quality of the fighter. It may well make sense to say that
one fighter is better than another, but quantifying it with
expected loss ratios is pointless.


okay, what if we have two identical pilots with same skills. clones in
fact. which would win?

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(David Thornley) wrote in message
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In article ,
ville terminale wrote:
i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

The quality of the pilot is much more important than the quality
of the fighter. The nature of the engagement is also more important
than the quality of the fighter. It may well make sense to say that
one fighter is better than another, but quantifying it with
expected loss ratios is pointless.


okay, what if we have two identical pilots with same skills. clones in
fact. which would win?

Neither and both.

Now shut up and go away, dimwit.

On 09 Mar 2004 00:27:52 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:

who do you think would win in a fight? putin or bush?

I think Bush is in better shape, but Putins got him in size...I think??


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"


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