I was trying to get home but got swarmed!

Icebound wrote:

I often wondered if there are any pilots with this condition. It always
seemed to me that it would be fairly common for wasps to get into those 70's
Cessna cockpits.

A major item on my pre-flight check for a Cessna is to check the vent intakes
for wasp nests. I used to keep a can of bug spray in the gang box at my
tie-down. Other people stuff plastic scrub pads in the holes.

The Maule was a different matter. I never got wasps in the vent system (it's
under the cowl), but they loved to build nests inside the wings near the hole
for the aileron counterweight. I would move one aileron to check it out, and by
the time I got around to check the other one, there would usually be a wasp
sitting on it wondering what was going on. I've gone out for a flight and come
back to find a little wasp family buzzing around waiting on home to return.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

I've never had the counterweight nest before... something else to worry
about. They probably skip the Maule and just add to the hundreds of mud
dauber nests in my hangar. Damn, I'm sick of them!

Mauledriver, AKA Bill Watson, AKA Foureyes

George Patterson wrote:

The Maule was a different matter. I never got wasps in the vent system
(it's under the cowl), but they loved to build nests inside the wings
near the hole for the aileron counterweight. I would move one aileron to
check it out, and by the time I got around to check the other one, there
would usually be a wasp sitting on it wondering what was going on. I've
gone out for a flight and come back to find a little wasp family buzzing
around waiting on home to return.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

Maule Driver wrote:
Morgans wrote:

Bee swarms are a different animal than what Hollywood presents. All
the bees are interested in the Queen, and the Queen only. If the
wingtip was removable, you could have walked up to the plane, taken
the tip off, and walked over somewhere else and given it a sharp rap
against something, and the queen would have fallen off, and everyone
would have followed her. No protective equipment, no stings, or
anything.

Intellectually, I know and believe that. Emotionally, I was unable to
even get near the plane in a sealed car until I was convinced the queen
and her court had left. But knowing how they operate was the only thing
that allowed me to get in and fire it up despite the FBO's staff belief
that some must still remain in my ventilation system waiting to sting me.

I'd have to say it depends a lot on what part of the country you're
in. Here in Central AZ, most wild bee colonies are africanized. If
you try Morgans trick on one of their swarms you're likely to end up in
a hospital for a few days. Morgans is correct that all the bees are
interested in is the queen, but for an africanized colony, they're
mostly interested in protecting the queen with their lives while
enroute to a new hive. You don't even have to be bothering them.
Just being within 50 ft. of an africanized colony on the move will make
you a target. They're not the stuff of the 70s movies, but they do
command a great deal more caution and respect than european bee swarms.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

Icebound wrote:

I have a friend with a life-threatening allergy to wasp stings. He once
nearly killed himself in a truck when a wasp got into the cab and he
immediately forgot that he was driving while attending to this new threat.

I often wondered if there are any pilots with this condition. It always
seemed to me that it would be fairly common for wasps to get into those 70's
Cessna cockpits.

I have some pretty serious reactions to bee stings (or at least I did
25 yrs. ago. I've avoided them since). Oddly enough, I get no reaction
to wasp stings, besides the excruciating pain. I almost crashed a
motorcycle once, when a wasp flew into my open visor, got past the
first layer of padding, and became trapped in my ear. I was trying to
slow down from 60 mph while this thing kept repeatedly stinging the
inside of my ear. It was all I could do to keep the bike on two wheels
until I could get it stopped and yank my helmet off.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

"John Galban" wrote in message
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Maule Driver wrote:
Morgans wrote:

Bee swarms are a different animal than what Hollywood presents. All
the bees are interested in the Queen, and the Queen only. If the
wingtip was removable, you could have walked up to the plane, taken
the tip off, and walked over somewhere else and given it a sharp rap
against something, and the queen would have fallen off, and everyone
would have followed her. No protective equipment, no stings, or
anything.

Intellectually, I know and believe that. Emotionally, I was unable to
even get near the plane in a sealed car until I was convinced the queen
and her court had left. But knowing how they operate was the only thing
that allowed me to get in and fire it up despite the FBO's staff belief
that some must still remain in my ventilation system waiting to sting me.

I'd have to say it depends a lot on what part of the country you're
in. Here in Central AZ, most wild bee colonies are africanized. If
you try Morgans trick on one of their swarms you're likely to end up in
a hospital for a few days. Morgans is correct that all the bees are
interested in is the queen, but for an africanized colony, they're
mostly interested in protecting the queen with their lives while
enroute to a new hive. You don't even have to be bothering them.
Just being within 50 ft. of an africanized colony on the move will make
you a target. They're not the stuff of the 70s movies, but they do
command a great deal more caution and respect than european bee swarms.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)



Yeah, the africanized bees are a bit on the scary side. Place i used to
hunt at in Texas had an old farm house we used as our deer cabin, had a nice
large colony of bees in between some of the walls of the old house, but they
never bothered us, assumed they were the nice and gentle mannered eurobees.
Within a few weeks that changed drastically. I was minding my own business
outside, nowhere near the entrance to the nesting area, and doing nothing
threatening when i got stung on the forehead.... didn't take long before a
rather large group of them was headed my way.... nedless to say I hauled ass
and got away with only that one sting. Dad and I decided to go ahead and
pull out of the house and tentcamp in a different area, and as we are
pulling out my dad gets hit, and as he's running my way there are at least
40 bees circling his head, he got hit twice. They are kind of a double
doozie... they are quite agressive... Carbon dioxide is a threat scent for
them, so they seem to get ****ed off for us and other critters to simply
breathe in a manner that they can smell it. Second is the sting, the
phermone emmited by the venom is a like a "Sting here! GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!"
sign, and although eorubees have this same phermone, it is not anywhere near
as strong as the afrobees. That aside they can be fairly easy to escape
from, a good run away trick works wonders, they don't really seem to chase
as far as the "Killer Bee" scare tends to portray, in my case a good 50
yards and I was in the clear. If I was to see a bee-ball on an aircraft i
was flying, I would be quite disenclined to commit to aviation that day,
especially out here in central AZ where you are just as likely to stumble on
afrobees as eurobees. I really don't want to take that chance. If they
seem to want to hang around call the ag extension office, see what they
suggest, if anything, besides waiting them out. I would only hit the
chemical warefare tactic IF i had good protection, full bee suit etc.

Todd, that's something I always feared but it never happened. I was
pretty paranoid about it so I made sure the cockpit was clear and
checked the vents for nests before takeoff. I might have been one of
those idiots that would actually crash while trying to fight off the
little quarter-gram insect.

I guess the key was daily disassembly and storage in the box.

Mauledriver, aka Bill Watson, aka Foureyes (4i for you sailplane guys)

T o d d P a t t i s t wrote:
wrote:


I once discovered just after takeoff that a bee was inside the plane
with me, so I figgured I was probably in for getting stung and just
simply accepted the possibility of a sting and instead paid full
attention to my flying.


I've found them twice in the glider cockpit with me while I
was on aerotow. I've just ignored them, figuring if I get
stung, I do. The last thing I want is to do is make it
angrier, at least not until I'm well aloft. One I later
managed to get out the window. The other seemed to find a
quiet place and it ignored me.

Do not spin this aircraft. If the aircraft does enter a spin it will return to earth without further attention on the part of the aeronaut.

(first handbook issued with the Curtis-Wright flyer)

Well, the afro/euro bee thing was what everyone was concerned about in
this case. There apparently were several stories in Tampa about an afro
bee invasion. The line crew said the bees starting hitting the car
whenever it got close. They also said that when they started to close a
nearby hangar door, the bees collected there.

Like I said, I stayed at the FBO desk and the restaurant. Personally, I
don't discriminate and try to stay away from both Afro and Euro types.

Mauledriver, aka Bill Watson, aka Foureyes

nooneimportant wrote:
"John Galban" wrote in message

Yeah, the africanized bees are a bit on the scary side. Place i used to
hunt at in Texas had an old farm house we used as our deer cabin, had a nice
large colony of bees in between some of the walls of the old house, but they
never bothered us, assumed they were the nice and gentle mannered eurobees.
Within a few weeks that changed drastically. I was minding my own business
outside, nowhere near the entrance to the nesting area, and doing nothing
threatening when i got stung on the forehead.... didn't take long before a
rather large group of them was headed my way.... nedless to say I hauled ass
and got away with only that one sting. Dad and I decided to go ahead and
pull out of the house and tentcamp in a different area, and as we are
pulling out my dad gets hit, and as he's running my way there are at least
40 bees circling his head, he got hit twice. They are kind of a double
doozie... they are quite agressive... Carbon dioxide is a threat scent for
them, so they seem to get ****ed off for us and other critters to simply
breathe in a manner that they can smell it. Second is the sting, the
phermone emmited by the venom is a like a "Sting here! GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!"
sign, and although eorubees have this same phermone, it is not anywhere near
as strong as the afrobees. That aside they can be fairly easy to escape
from, a good run away trick works wonders, they don't really seem to chase
as far as the "Killer Bee" scare tends to portray, in my case a good 50
yards and I was in the clear. If I was to see a bee-ball on an aircraft i
was flying, I would be quite disenclined to commit to aviation that day,
especially out here in central AZ where you are just as likely to stumble on
afrobees as eurobees. I really don't want to take that chance. If they
seem to want to hang around call the ag extension office, see what they
suggest, if anything, besides waiting them out. I would only hit the
chemical warefare tactic IF i had good protection, full bee suit etc.

George Patterson wrote:
Icebound wrote:


I often wondered if there are any pilots with this condition. It
always seemed to me that it would be fairly common for wasps to get
into those 70's Cessna cockpits.


A major item on my pre-flight check for a Cessna is to check the vent
intakes for wasp nests.

Had wasps a couple times in Cessnas at the flight school where I rented.
(CFI's spilled Pepsi smell good to 'em?) Not allergic so I ignored
them and they returned the favor.

Bees are valuable, though. If you called a local beekeeper I bet they'd
come in full bee-suit and happily carry off the swarm. Or know
professionally what to do if they're the wicked crossbred kind.

"John Galban" wrote

Here in Central AZ, most wild bee colonies are africanized. If
you try Morgans trick on one of their swarms you're likely to end up in
a hospital for a few days.

You are correct; I am talking about non africanized swarms.

I was not aware that the African bee problem had advanced so far. Wow.
--
Jim in NC

"Icebound" wrote in message
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in
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I have a friend with a life-threatening allergy to wasp stings. He once
nearly killed himself in a truck when a wasp got into the cab and he
immediately forgot that he was driving while attending to this new threat.

I often wondered if there are any pilots with this condition. It always
seemed to me that it would be fairly common for wasps to get into those
70's Cessna cockpits.
Yes there are (at least one).I am that lucky person.
I plug the air inlets in the wing root of my C150 with those
plastic scouring pads made of curly plastic strings woven
into a ball.I have had a couple of interesting sessions with
bees in the cockpit.

Bob Barker N8749S