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I had the pleasure of loosing power on the left engine on my
Aztec at about 30'AGL after takeoff. Because of poor checklist performace on my part, I had failed to turn on the electical AUX pumps. Luckily hitting the AUX pump restored power within a few seconds giving me the option of climbing to altitude to troubleshoot. As I climbed, above pattern altitude, I monitored the fuel pressure and turned the AUX pump off to see what happened, and sure enough the fuel pressure began to fall. I turned the AUX pump back on to keep fan turning and decided that I had a failed mechanical engine driven pump. Since there were no repair facilities at the departure airport, I climbed to cruise altitude and headed for the closest airport with a mechanic. Once I was leveled off, with cruise power and mixture set, I again monitored the fuel pressure and turned off the AUX pump to confirm the mechical pump failure. To my supprise, the fuel pressure remained up and the engine ran great. I even increased the throttle and the mixture and everything continued to work great. Switched between inboard and outboard fuel tanks on the left side. No problem. Did the problem fix itself? Decision time again. Should I land at the closest airport with a mechanic and investigate or press on? I knew that a number of airports lay along my route of flight and the weather was CAVU, so I had plenty of options. I decided to continue along my route while carefully monitoring the left engine's fuel pressure and then get my mechanic to fix the problem if I made it all the way home, about 2.5 hours of flying time. (This is one place where having a second engine is nice). The left engine ran great all the way home with never another glitch and never a dip in the fuel pressure. However, when I upcapped the left outboard tank to refuel, I was supprised to hear a sucking sound of air rushing into the tank. Ah ha! A plugged fuel vent. Sure enough, my mechanic and I found the left outboard tuel tank vent tubing was almost completely plugged, way up inside, about halfway between the vent port and the tank. The handy work of a crafty bug with a flare for sturdy construction work. We cleaned that out, checked the other three tanks' vents for the same problem. This is a good argument for capping the fuel vent ports when the airplane is parked, just like we cap the pitot tube. A full power static run up was done and everything looked good. The theory was that under full takeoff power, and with a full fuel tank, the vaccum in the tank was too great for the engine driven pump to keep the engine feed with fuel, and that the extra boost of the AUX pump was enough to overcome this and keep things working. Once I got to altitude, the engine driven pump alone was able to keep up with the reduced fuel flow demands. Problem solved, right? Wrong! On the very next takeoff, the same probem happened with loss of left engine fuel pressure. With the mechanic on board monitoring the fuel pressure, we turned the AUX pump off as we began our climb as a test. Sure enough, the fuel pressure started dropping. The AUX was turned back on to restore fuel pressure and to keep the engine running. The mechanic dicussed the problem with a fuel injection system overhaul shop and the suggestion was to repace the mechanical fuel pump. We did and that solved the problem. Out of curiousity, I disassembled the the old pump to see if I could see a problem, and it was not hard to find. The rubber diaphram was split about 3/4s of the way around at one of the creases where it was designed to flex. I'm not sure if the plugged vent line caused the diaphram to split, or if the diaphram just split from old age / wear and the pump was not able to overcome the vaccum caused by the plugged vent. However, after the pump was damaged and the vent was clear (the second takeoff) the pump was not able to supply the engine with the necessary fuel flow. The point is, failure of the mechanical engine driven pump can be intermittent and only appear then the load on the pump is greatest (takeoff) even though the pump has a major defect. Therefore, I'd not take any risks. If Lycoming is concerned about their pumps, I would be too. If the pumps on my Lycoming IO-540s on the Aztec fall under this service bulletin, I will replace them. "BTIZ" wrote in message news:iU5_d.72049$Tt.31211@fed1read05... And if you need an engine driven pump then you probably already have a backup electrical pump. Would there really be any need to replace the mechanical one before it wears out? Are people actually flying with this logic? Key words here are "need" engine driven pump and "backup" electrical. Is it a matter of the pump failure that could cause other problems besides fuel pressure, like lack of fuel flow.. do you know why the SB was suggested? Like another poster said, it's free.. why NOT do it. BT |
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Paul kgyy wrote:
I received a notice in the mail. It says, "If your Lycoming engine has a diaphragm-type fuel pump with Lycoming P/N LW-15473 installed, and has a date code of 3201, the pump must be replaced PRIOR TO NEXT FLIGHT." The defective pumps were shipped from Lycoming between 10/1/01 and 2/2/04. It affects a wide range of engines from 320 to 540, IO, O, AIO, TO I got that last year and check. I passed! (O-360) Ross |
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"nobody" writes: I had the pleasure of loosing power on the left engine on my Aztec at about 30'AGL after takeoff. [...] The left engine ran great all the way home with never another glitch and never a dip in the fuel pressure. However, when I upcapped the left outboard tank to refuel, I was supprised to hear a sucking sound of air rushing into the tank. Ah ha! A plugged fuel vent. [...] Did it occur to you to switch fuel selectors between inboard/outboard or try the crossfeed, back during the early iffy-pumping phase of the flight? - FChE |
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"nobody" writes: [...] Sure enough, my mechanic and I found the left outboard tuel tank vent tubing was almost completely plugged, way up inside, about halfway between the vent port and the tank. [...] This is a good argument for capping the fuel vent ports when the airplane is parked, just like we cap the pitot tube. [...] How would you do that with an Aztec? Each fuel tank's vents open on the underside of wing, one exiting in a big hole in this ceramic-like block, and a second little vent tube to drain liquids from the big one. Both point mostly down (and there are eight of them total). - FChE |
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Michael wrote: snip In other words - Lycoming's offer is not particularly generous (certainly not up to what you would expect for a recall in the automotive world) and this will probably still cost you. OK, I'll agree that maybe Lyc.'s offer of 1.5 hrs won't cover the labor on some planes. It will on mine (BTDT). As compared to automotive recalls, you're right, but in my experience, the majority of aircraft S.B.s that I see don't offer any compensation from the manufacturer (unless the part or plane is still under warranty). In that respect, I'm pleasantly surprised. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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Yes, after I got some altitude, I did switch tanks to see if the problem
was associated with a particular tank, but the fuel pressure was fine on both the inboard and outboard tank. The big vents can be sealed with a small cork or rubber stopper with a long red "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" ribbon attached. Just push them into the hole. I've not tried to seal the small vent lines. The big vent opening is where the bug did his job in my case. That tube leads up to a cylinder where the small tube is attached. In our case, the blockage was in the large tube, althought you're correct in that a tiny bug could also crawl up the tiny vent tube and get into the vent system. "Frank Ch. Eigler" wrote in message ... "nobody" writes: [...] Sure enough, my mechanic and I found the left outboard tuel tank vent tubing was almost completely plugged, way up inside, about halfway between the vent port and the tank. [...] This is a good argument for capping the fuel vent ports when the airplane is parked, just like we cap the pitot tube. [...] How would you do that with an Aztec? Each fuel tank's vents open on the underside of wing, one exiting in a big hole in this ceramic-like block, and a second little vent tube to drain liquids from the big one. Both point mostly down (and there are eight of them total). - FChE |
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Kyle Boatright wrote:
Yep. A mandatory service bulletin is designed to do two things... 1) Get the word out that there is or may be a problem. 2) Reduce Lycoming's liability. If you're a commercial operator it has more meaning. |
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Ben Jackson wrote:
On 2005-03-16, Michael wrote: you are not grounded and you are not required to replace anything. And if you need an engine driven pump then you probably already have a backup electrical pump. Would there really be any need to replace the mechanical one before it wears out? Do you avoid replacing the tires on your car until they fail because you have a spare? |
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Ron Natalie wrote:
And if you need an engine driven pump then you probably already have a backup electrical pump. Would there really be any need to replace the mechanical one before it wears out? Do you avoid replacing the tires on your car until they fail because you have a spare? Hardly a fair comparison. Tires are wear items; you replace them when the tread is worn down to a certain level. The fair comparison is your brake power pump. If it fails, you have very limited backup. How often do you replace that? Michael |
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