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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Rich, We won in Iraq, Have you been following the news lately, at all? Errr, yeah... have you? We're ahead of the timetable that put Germany and Japan back together again as hugely successful democracies. I think it's safe to say we "won" there, too (though not nearly as easily and with many, many more lives lost). But I suppose as long as there are a couple thousand Baathists who hate us, there are those who will claim that we "failed"... .... or maybe you really DO think the world was a better place with Saddam in power??? Mark Hickey |
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John,
Have you been following the news lately, at all? Are you trying to make a point? Yes. The point: If what's happening in Iraq is "winning a war", then the definitions of "winning" must have changed dramatically since I last checked. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Mark,
We're ahead of the timetable that put Germany and Japan back together again as hugely successful democracies. I don't think that comparison is valid in any way. There are no parallels to the situation. But while we're on the subject of timetables: The comparison to Vietnam and the timetable there is left as an excerise to the reader... .... or maybe you really DO think the world was a better place with Saddam in power??? I think the world was a better place when the most powerful nation on earth adhered to certain rules that had become standard between civilized nations. I can't see much of a difference for the world with Saddam missing (he isn't, really, by the way). I am now absolutely certain - as most news watchers - that Saddam didn't pose nearly the threat that some were led to believe. There are no WMD, period. I am also certain that the path of actions the US took, if anything, will provoke more and more terrible acts of terrorism than any of the possible alternatives. But that's just me... -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
... Yes. The point: If what's happening in Iraq is "winning a war", then the definitions of "winning" must have changed dramatically since I last checked. You must be too young to remember when the Allies won WWII. Many Germans and Japanese fought and killed Allied troops long after the war. Reconstruction of the defeated countries and reformation of their governments and infrastructure took years and a tremendous financial commitment. Much of that investment was never repaid, even though the major Axis powers are now well in the black. It seems to me that you need to turn off the TV and spend some time studying the real world. Regards, Rich S. |
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
... . . . I think the world was a better place when the most powerful nation on earth adhered to certain rules that had become standard between civilized nations. I can't see much of a difference for the world with Saddam missing (he isn't, really, by the way). I am now absolutely certain - as most news watchers - that Saddam didn't pose nearly the threat that some were led to believe. There are no WMD, period. . . Since this is an inappropriate forum for this topic - and since I don't approve of crossposting, I will let this be my last word in this thread. Iraq under Saddam was not abiding by international law. In the terms of their surrender in the Gulf War, they agreed to disarm and to prove they had done so. Their refusal to comply with those terms resulted in the resumption of hostilities to force compliance. The existance or non-existance of WMD has no bearing on the situation. You have the floor....... Rich S. |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:00:02 -0800, "Rich S."
wrote: You must be too young to remember when the Allies won WWII. Many Germans and Japanese fought and killed Allied troops long after the war. Reconstruction of the defeated countries and reformation of their governments and infrastructure took years and a tremendous financial commitment. Much of that investment was never repaid, even though the major Axis powers are now well in the black. It seems to me that you need to turn off the TV and spend some time studying the real world. Regards, Rich S. Rich, I've been reading military history since I first started reading some 45 or so years ago and I'll be darned if I can recall reading much about post WWII battles with soldiers who refused to surrender. Can you give me a citation or two? I know some fanatical Japanese wanted to stage a coup after the Emperor announced the surrender, but that didn't happen. I recall reading about one P-38 pilot who landed in Japan shortly after the announcement that Japan had surrendered, only to be politely told by the Japanese at that airfield that while Japan may have surrendered, the papers had not yet been signed so the war wasn't actually over yet. He was allowed to board his fighter and takeoff. There was the odd Japanese soldier here and there stuck out in some jungle wilderness who continued to hide, but for the most part they did not fight, they just hid. Thanks, Corky Scott |
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"Rich S." wrote in message
It seems to me that you need to turn off the TV and spend some time studying the real world. Not to mention learning what's happening in Iraq. "Good news is no news." -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer __________ |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
John, Have you been following the news lately, at all? Are you trying to make a point? Yes. The point: If what's happening in Iraq is "winning a war", then the definitions of "winning" must have changed dramatically since I last checked. No, it's just that your standard of acceptable information needs some fine-tuning. Instead of buying into the Six O'clock Follies as the SOLE source, do some checking. HOW many thousands of US personnel are in Iraq? All you hear about are the handful who die. Well, guess what? Servicemen die in the US, too. Helicopters crash in the US too. And there are Army bases whose commanders have had to order troops not to wear uniforms offbase because the locals don't treat the military well. .. . .and there's no war going on here, is there? |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
I can't see much of a difference for the world with Saddam missing No, but there are a lot of Iraqis who do. (he isn't, really, by the way). Then where is he? I am now absolutely certain - as most news watchers - that Saddam didn't pose nearly the threat that some were led to believe. HAHAHAHAHAHAH There are no WMD, period. Then where did they all go? Or were the UN and Clintoons lying when they said he had them for all those years? I am also certain that the path of actions the US took, if anything, will provoke more and more terrible acts of terrorism than any of the possible alternatives. You base this on what experience, training or inspiration? You admit that you get your information from the news. You know nothing that doesn't fit between the tampon commercial and the ad for kitty litter. But that's just me... Yeah, that's right. |
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Rich S. wrote:
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message ... Yes. The point: If what's happening in Iraq is "winning a war", then the definitions of "winning" must have changed dramatically since I last checked. You must be too young to remember when the Allies won WWII. It wasn't on ABC, so he doesn't believe it really happened. |
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