We Are All Spaniards

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:47:47 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

We are all Spaniards today.

If today's election results and the rhetoric around them in Spain
represent what Spaniards think, the subject header for this thread may
qualify for Usenet's "Unintended Irony of the Week" award.

Don

In the eyes of Radical Islamists? Are you kidding?

Israel - it exists
UK - it gave the land to Israel
America - it supported Israel
Spain - it supported America

and the list goes on. Remember - the history books I am talking about were
(or will have been) written in the new Arabic Empire...

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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"Judah" wrote in message
...

I wasn't talking about morals. I was talking about reality and
history. If the Arab nations who sponsor these terrorists succeed in
their plans, their own history books will write it off as the Great
War for Islamic Independence during which their freedom fighters
performed attack after attack until the Imperialist Oppressors were
finally conquered.


Where is Islam being opressed by a western nation?

"Judah" wrote in message
...
I wasn't talking about morals. I was talking about reality and history. If
the Arab nations who sponsor these terrorists succeed in their plans,
their
own history books will write it off as the Great War for Islamic
Independence during which their freedom fighters performed attack after
attack until the Imperialist Oppressors were finally conquered.

If we sit back and wait for it to happen, we will be written off in
history
as the once great, but now fallen American Imperialist Empire.

And if we win we will be the bringers of light and freedom to the world.
The winner always writes the history so what

"Judah" wrote in message
...
One of the other posters brought up the Native Americans... Do you think
any innocent Native Americans might have been killed back then? I haven't
read much about it in the history books, so maybe it didn't happen...

Let me think - that's a hard one - umm, umm, umm. I think every native
American was innocent until the white man came and began robbing them, then
killing them. Do you suggest that when the American Indian began to fight
back they stopped being innocent and then as a whole became guilty and
worthy of extermination? Genocide in today's parlance.

I don't suppose there is too much in the history books. It is not going to
say that the US people in building the nation were guilty of ethnic
cleansing, on a scale that make criminals out of today's ethnic cleansers.

"Judah" wrote in message
...
In the eyes of Radical Islamists? Are you kidding?

Israel - it exists
UK - it gave the land to Israel
America - it supported Israel
Spain - it supported America

The Uk gave the land to Israel following a war with Jewish terrorists.
People like Golda Meyer, Begin were all terrorists(freedomfighters).

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:30:27 -0700, Tom Sixkiller wrote:

What you need to do is remove the fuel from the fire. Americans need
to
stop thinking they know what's best for the world.

Yeah..especially when it's the Islamic fundementalists that KNOW what's
right for the world, and are under strict and explicit order to kill
everyone who says otherwise.

So now there are 2 very confronting positions clashing together. Every
side
is in the strong believe that only he holds the only truth.

How can it be solved? The stronger survives? War, bloodshed, economical
decrease?

Your questions aren't relevant. All nations owe their very existence
to strife and injustice, so in that sense of course only the strong
will survive. As an Austrian, you'll ought to find the concept
quite familiar. We are all 'winners' and to put any nation
under the microscope will quickly reveal the skeletons in the
closet. This is as true for America as it is for Pakistan, for
Saudi Arabia as it is for South Africa . It wasn't the white man
who crushed the buddist kingdoms of Sind, nor forced the
bushmen from their farms.

But the western world has come a long way in the last 500 years;
we are both a model and a magnet for those who have not. Despite
what OBL and his misogynist pedophile buddies strutting around
in their pajamas might think, most Muslims would give an arm
and a leg just to live in a country which respects property and
human life. They come in droves - and good luck to them too.
When Chirac visited Algeria last year, he was greeted with
chants of "Visa! Visa!". When the BBC interviewed Muslims
in Peshawar, 90% said they would apply for a US visa if they
thought they could get one.

And here you are, enjoying the good life, flying your plane, yet
having the guile to proffer the smug 'observation' that the two
sides are somehow morally equivalent. Of course, Jay and the
rest of us would agree with you, the neutral arbitrator, if only
we took more notice of foreign affairs and could be bothered
to locate Spain on the map and read about its history. Shame
on you.

Lets see now. On the one side is the power to destroy the
entire middle east but one that chooses not to; on the other a
desperate striving for nuclear weapons which if acquired would
be unleashed without hesitation on us all. On one side we have
tolerance and respect for people regardless of their religion or
race; on the other, people who believe that being a homosexual
is a capital offense, and that women who don't shuffle around
in a sack deserve to get raped. And you, safe in your western
bed at night, can't quite make his mind up as to who is right
and who is wrong.

This is not some abstract high-school debate. Thanks to
OBL, it is up-front and central, and soon *you* may have
to decide exactly whose side you're on. America has never
claimed to know what is best for the world, but it certainly
knows what isn't. And what isn't is being blown up or
gassed or nuked. If you could put aside your fervent
anti-Americanism for once, you might start to see exactly on
which side your bread is buttered.

"Tony Cox" wrote:
to put any nation under the microscope will quickly
reveal the skeletons in the closet.

Tee-hee!

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
newszJ4c.6689$_w.233787@attbi_s53...

Rest assured that all Americans stand with you, that we will
remember our allies, and that we will help you find the swine who
perpetrated this atrocity.

The socialists have just won the election & Zapatero has
pledged to withdraw troops from Iraq. Looks like it's
down to the US, Britain, Australia and Poland. Rather
like last time.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...
"Tony Cox" wrote:
to put any nation under the microscope will quickly
reveal the skeletons in the closet.

Tee-hee!


That's the trouble with rants; sometimes one gets
too carried away to proof read!

The Uk gave the land to Israel following a war with Jewish terrorists.
People like Golda Meyer, Begin were all terrorists(freedomfighters).

Again, you're confusing terrorists with rebels.

Rebels fight for territory. Terrorists kill indiscriminately.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
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www.AlexisParkInn.com
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