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#61
February 16th 04, 11:37 PM
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#62
February 16th 04, 11:48 PM
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote
Folks who get UPT enroute to a Guard slot are locked into the unit equipment. No "dream sheet" involved. It's resulted in some shopping around by prospective trainees for a guard unit that's got the desired equipment. I know of a couple of enlisted crewdogs who are now pilots because of the guard. One tried his whole first enlistment to get into the Academy, then got out and joined the Guard. Another did 10 years active before transfer to the Guard. They both fly C-130J and are loving it. They went where they were needed, spent a year in the unit while getting their Degree and Commission, and then applied for a pilot slot. If you want to fly, and your parents aren't politicians or know one, then this is a pretty good way to go :-)
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#63
February 17th 04, 02:12 AM
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"Tex Houston" wrote in message ... "John S. Shinal" wrote in message ... As a voice of reason in this whole tempest - does GWB's assignment to an obsolescent platform have anything to do with this fulfillment of duty ? I wasn't aware that anyone's "dream sheet" was ever a sure thing ? Didn't he take what he was told to, i.e. the Deuce ? It sounds like the luck of the draw to me... You may not be aware of how the Air National Guard recruitment works. You elect to join a specific unit which would allow platform shopping. Want to fly fighters? Then don't join a tanker outfit. You do not enlist in the Air National Guard and then be placed in an assignment pool. Doesn't work that way. The Air Force Reserve and the Air National Guard now fly pretty much the same equipment as the active USAF do. For instance the 116th Air Control Wing at Robins AFB flys the E-8C and serves in a 'blended wing' with both ANG and active duty personnel as does the 124th Wing at Boise and the 175th Wing at Martin State Airport does with the A/OA-10. The Air Force Reserve has a like plan where the Reserve Wing has an Associate relationship and actually flies aircraft of an active duty wing. Are those latter two units actually blended? I thought the 116th was the first and only as of now. Brooks Regards, Tex Houston
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February 17th 04, 02:41 AM
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... The Air Force Reserve and the Air National Guard now fly pretty much the same equipment as the active USAF do. For instance the 116th Air Control Wing at Robins AFB flys the E-8C and serves in a 'blended wing' with both ANG and active duty personnel as does the 124th Wing at Boise and the 175th Wing at Martin State Airport does with the A/OA-10. The Air Force Reserve has a like plan where the Reserve Wing has an Associate relationship and actually flies aircraft of an active duty wing. Are those latter two units actually blended? I thought the 116th was the first and only as of now. Brooks Regards, Tex Houston I used the Annual Almanac Issue of Air Force Magazine for my source. Those are the only tree listed. Tex
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#66
February 17th 04, 02:45 AM
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message news  Ed, when was Martin in LIFT? I saw a documentary recently on his dad, and it mentioned the son's accident. I had vague memories of it being in the news when it happened, but found little on the web about his ANG experience. Made me kind of curious as to his story (not all that many sons of the rich and famous saw fit to serve in the military during the early eighties). You know anything more about this? Brooks It was covered in a Dean Martin biography I read in the last couple of years. Might check with the library and see what may have been published in that period. I think it was written by one of the other kids. Tex
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#67
February 17th 04, 03:47 AM
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"Tex Houston" wrote in message ... "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... The Air Force Reserve and the Air National Guard now fly pretty much the same equipment as the active USAF do. For instance the 116th Air Control Wing at Robins AFB flys the E-8C and serves in a 'blended wing' with both ANG and active duty personnel as does the 124th Wing at Boise and the 175th Wing at Martin State Airport does with the A/OA-10. The Air Force Reserve has a like plan where the Reserve Wing has an Associate relationship and actually flies aircraft of an active duty wing. Are those latter two units actually blended? I thought the 116th was the first and only as of now. Brooks Regards, Tex Houston I used the Annual Almanac Issue of Air Force Magazine for my source. Those are the only tree listed. OK, I found that listing. But nowhere else have I seen anything to indicate that any new blended wings have actually been created, or even identified--the Maryland ANG website is also devoid of any mention of this. Kind of makes me wonder if the AFA either jumped the gun or maybe got its info wrong. Brooks Tex
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#68
February 17th 04, 04:34 AM
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Among some folks that I met at fighter lead-in training when I was
instructing were Dino Martin (Dean's son) who was killed flying an F-4 into a mountain in California, and Ross Perot (son of Ross Perot) who flew F-4s for the TANG. A C-119 retardant tanker later crashed virtually on the exact site as Martins F-4C crash. Ron Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)
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#69
February 17th 04, 10:47 AM
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How far north of 21 are you guys?
More likely, as a typical college senior with a hangover, he chose the 111th because a) it flew "fighters" and b) it was in Houston. What more does a 21-year-old have to know? I wasn't aware that anyone's "dream sheet" was ever a sure thing ? Didn't he take what he was told to, i.e. the Deuce ? It sounds like the luck of the draw to me... Seems to me that if I wanted to sign up for any state's ANG, all I'd have to do to figure out what I'd be trained into would be to take a look at what they were using, unless they were in the process of phasing in some new equipment that hadn't shown up yet. Luck of the draw? In USAF, sure.....but in ANG units, a good bet would be that it'd be in what the state was already using. If it wasn't a sure thing, it had to be the next best thing to it. all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com
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#70
February 17th 04, 11:49 AM
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"Ron" wrote
A C-119 retardant tanker later crashed virtually on the exact site as Martins F-4C crash. But about 400 knots slower :-) Dino is pretty much a part of that mountain now. I think they found his jaw bone, and that's what they gave to his dad.
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