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Mike Ash wrote:
In article , "Robert M. Gary" wrote: On Feb 22, 8:28?pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Mike Ash writes: The bit in the article where he talks about a simmer being asked to land a passenger plane after the pilots have been debilitated is pretty funny. Absolutely no mention whatsoever of the difficulty or improbability of actually pulling off such a feat. It is simply assumed that it could be done. It can easily be done. Large commercial transports are heavily automated, and most flights are conducted under computer control for most of their durations. ?With the automation in operation, no particular flying skill is required to keep the aircraft flying, and since the automation can also land the aircraft, no particularly flying skill is required for landing, either. Because of this, any person of reasonable intelligence who can follow instructions precisely can land an airliner, with help over the radio from a pilot. I teach glass cockpit training and I see very intelligent, experienced pilots have lots of trouble working with the automation. In fact I have *never* encountered a pilot who thought it was easier to fly with the automation than to fly on old steam gauges. To be fair, that's a biased sample, as you're working with people who already have flying skill, so naturally they'll find flying to be the easy part. Somebody with a whole lot of experience with electronic gadgets but little experience with flying may not have that same experience. I'd expect a computer geek who has never touched real flight controls to have an easier time following instructions on button-pushing than control-handling, although he may well have a tough time of both, and I still have little confidence in the ultimate outcome unless somebody actually tries it and proves otherwise. There's also the psychological issue that most people think without constant "tending" of the airplane by both the pilots and air traffic control, an airplane will fall out of the sky. Your average person would likely be paralyzed by fear if told they had to land the airplane. Then there is the practical issue of finding someone who can tell a totally ignorant person how to find the necessary buttons to push and what to enter entirely from memory for a given random aircraft type. There is a reason for type training by airlines. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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On Feb 22, 11:59*am, John Godwin wrote:
It seems as if Microsoft is pulling the plug on MS Flight Simulator. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7902468.stm -- To be honest its a bit sad. I certainly don't have time to do all the real flying I need to do (I have a waiting list of students) much less time to play with the computer. However, I remember as a youth getting version 2.0 of MSFS and playing with that. Back then the graphics were just little white lines and you reallyl didn't know you were at an airport until you overran it. However, the simulation was ok and the gauges looked cool to me. The funny thing with flight simulators is that they work so hard to make them realistic in look, visuals etc. In truth that is about the least important aspect of a real simulator. -Robert |
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wrote: Has nobody thought of who is going to tune the funking radio to someone to give the newbie driver instructions? Good point. While it is highly likely that an airliner's radios will already be tuned to ATC, the odds are about zero that there will by anyone around at the ATC end with any knowledge of the cockpit layout of a random airliner. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
... I do not accept your conjecture as proof. Likewise. So to summarize: I have first hand knowledge of what needs to be done. I contend it cannot be done, and as evidence, I offer that it has never been done. You have read about the activity, and contend that it can be done. As evidence you offer that you have read about the activity and contend that it can be done. Mighty compelling argument. |
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wrote in message ... ManhattanMan wrote: wrote: Has nobody thought of who is going to tune the funking radio to someone to give the newbie driver instructions? Good point. While it is highly likely that an airliner's radios will already be tuned to ATC, the odds are about zero that there will by anyone around at the ATC end with any knowledge of the cockpit layout of a random airliner. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. Don't need a effing radio. All you need is access to usenet. You can log on to r.a.p. and get more advice than you need. That'll probably get you close enough to the ground to pull off SOME kind of landing........for better or worse. Just remember, there's a planet out there and it's headed straight for you! |
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, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: On Feb 22, 11:59*am, John Godwin wrote: It seems as if Microsoft is pulling the plug on MS Flight Simulator. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7902468.stm -- To be honest its a bit sad. I certainly don't have time to do all the real flying I need to do (I have a waiting list of students) much less time to play with the computer. However, I remember as a youth getting version 2.0 of MSFS and playing with that. Back then the graphics were just little white lines and you reallyl didn't know you were at an airport until you overran it. However, the simulation was ok and the gauges looked cool to me. I wouldn't worry. While MS may have hit the point of diminishing returns, there is still certainly a place in the market for simulators. X-Plane is going to get a huge boost from this, and I'll bet than one or two new simulators will be popping up to fill the void. The funny thing with flight simulators is that they work so hard to make them realistic in look, visuals etc. In truth that is about the least important aspect of a real simulator. When your goal is simply to sell as many $50 copies as possible, those aspects are extremely important. Mike -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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