Stryker/C-130 Pics

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:06:16 GMT, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised wrote:
The Brits were stuck in a Saxon APC and had to eat, **** and pee in the darn
contraption which looks more like an armoured telephone repair van rather than a
real APC. I thought it looked like a relic from the 1950s.

You seem unfamiliar with standard MoD APC procurement policy in regard
to the Saxon, which ran along the lines of "find a Leyland production
line that needs to be kept open after losing their markets to the
Germans, and stick some armour on it".

Wouldn't surprise me.

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On 29 Sep 2003 19:58:49 -0700, Steyr wrote:

I like the full furniture Steyr Deer rifle.

Mmm, with two triggers and hand-polished walnut stocks for full
Victorian authenticity when on a drive for some beaten Mau Mau. Only
when the season's open, mind.

My Great Uncle Charlie prefered to go Mau Mauing with a .600 Nitro
Express hammer gun. Whether it was ethical or not depends on one's
perspective on franchised colonial wars. The slug was the size of an
old gas stove and if that missed the culprit, the noise would surely
kill the blighter.



I like rifles which look as if they
escaped from Kenya in the 1950s. I hate automatic rifles because the philosophy
behind them is entirely suspect.

One can either hit the bloody target or one can't. Of course that is just a
civilian perspective.

It took until 1956 before the Treasury would allow squaddies even a
semi-automatic version.

Gavin Bailey


Can't blame everything on Suez.

In article , The Revolution Will Not Be
Televised says...

On 29 Sep 2003 19:49:55 -0700, Steyr wrote:

I spoke to some Brits in North Belfast last year and they told us that their new
rifle was 'complete crap'. I think they were detached from a field gun
formation, possibbly Royal Artillery. The Welch Fusilers were in the same area.

Bear in mind a non-infantry unit going out on roulement to NI oppress
you on your way to the newsie's to get your regular "Aeroplane
Spotter" will be last on the list for the A2 version. All the
refitted A2's will have gone to Iraq, as the main focus of Treasury
approved-MoD spending, even if they haven't sent any water, tents or
generators. It will of course be a matter of critical importance to
the average citizen of Basra that the troops ordering them into queues
for collecting drinking water will have the A2 as opposed to the A1
version. They might feel a little let down and question coalition
priorities if they knew it was the latter.

A teenager from the Welch was blown up by a UDA frag device a few days
previously. I have no opinion on the SA80 matter other than to note that I've
not actually encountered a favourable review of the weapon from a serving
soldier.

I always wanted to know why it was just as heavy as the SLR.

The Brits were stuck in a Saxon APC and had to eat, **** and pee in the darn
contraption which looks more like an armoured telephone repair van rather than a
real APC. I thought it looked like a relic from the 1950s.

You seem unfamiliar with standard MoD APC procurement policy in regard
to the Saxon, which ran along the lines of "find a Leyland production
line that needs to be kept open after losing their markets to the
Germans, and stick some armour on it".

Gavin Bailey


The Ferret armoured car was clearly the greatest golf buggie ever invented,
however it was a little too under-armed for use in Florida.

The Saxon is like a bloody big electricity box on wheels. It is like a
fairground tractor-generator.

In article , The Revolution Will Not Be
Televised says...

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:36:25 +0100, Greg Hennessy
wrote:

You seem unfamiliar with standard MoD APC procurement policy in regard
to the Saxon, which ran along the lines of "find a Leyland production
line that needs to be kept open after losing their markets to the
Germans, and stick some armour on it".


See above.

No ****. I presume you instruct everybody telling a joke that their
punchline was a punchline.

Gavin Bailey

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Crew 2 + 10 troops.
Hull Length 5.16 m.
Height 2.63 m.
Width 2.48 m.
Ground Clearance (axles) 0.33 m.
Combat Weight 10,670 kg.
Main Armament 1 x 7.62 mm GPMG.
Engine 164 bhp Bedford 600 6-cylinder diesel (Cummins BT 5.1 fitted to IS
variant).
Maximum Speed 96 kph.
Maximum Range 510 km.
Armour Proof against 7.62 mm rounds at point-blank range


http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/av/av_sxn.htm

That last bit is more impressive than most flak jackets if you will excuse the
comparative and approximate irony.

'The vehicle, which can be best described as a battlefield taxi, is designed
around truck parts and does not require the enormous maintenance of track and
running gear normally associated with APC/AIFVs.'

http://www.armedforces.co.uk/army/listings/l0039.html

It is a 'dressed' truck and the above description is army-speak for: 'complete
crap'.

In article , Greg Hennessy says...

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:28:11 GMT, (The Revolution
Will Not Be Televised) wrote:


See above.

No ****. I presume you instruct everybody telling a joke that their
punchline was a punchline.


Oh my, we are a bit touchy today, who ****ed in your cornflakes.


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I knew it was a joke. However the vehicle, pile of sad truck parts that it is,
might just have something to do with the old Bedford series of trucks. Humour
and disparaging lego scrapheap reality rolled into one big lump of green
electricity transformer bollix on wheels. I know Gavin from the grand days we
spent in Kenya together, cheerfully shooting natives to keep the map pink. I was
later recruited by Mugabe because he liked my totally non-discriminating style
of game conservation. I now hunt wildlfe documentary film makers and sell the
meat on the black-market. The white market kind of got expelled from the
country.

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The Ferret armoured car was clearly the greatest golf buggie ever
invented,
however it was a little too under-armed for use in Florida.

I met a Ferret for the first time in 1973 as I stood sentry at the
entrance to a battery position on a cloudy, moonless night on the edge of
a forest. The little bugger came out of the woods and was able to get
within less than 10 metres before I could hear it (and what I heard was
mostly the "crunch" of gravel under its tires). Possibly the best
sneak-and-peek recce vehicle ever built.
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"Steyr" wrote in message
...

The Ferret armoured car was clearly the greatest golf buggie ever
invented,
however it was a little too under-armed for use in Florida.

I met a Ferret for the first time in 1973 as I stood sentry at the
entrance to a battery position on a cloudy, moonless night on the edge of
a forest. The little bugger came out of the woods and was able to get
within less than 10 metres before I could hear it (and what I heard was
mostly the "crunch" of gravel under its tires). Possibly the best
sneak-and-peek recce vehicle ever built.


They are a very cute little vehicle. I have seen them disabled in
ambushes without too much difficulty. Even children can stop them if
they have lots of paint and a few big bricks.

They also tended to stop at Zebra crossings as a matter of routine.

Their drivers tended to be more polite than the Saracen and Humber Pig
drivers. The Saladins were the most fun to attack as they simply drove
through the hail of paint bombs and bricks without stopping to chase
the kids away.

lisieux wrote:

They are a very cute little vehicle. I have seen them disabled in
ambushes without too much difficulty. Even children can stop them if
they have lots of paint and a few big bricks.

They also tended to stop at Zebra crossings as a matter of routine.

Their drivers tended to be more polite than the Saracen and Humber Pig
drivers. The Saladins were the most fun to attack as they simply drove
through the hail of paint bombs and bricks without stopping to chase
the kids away.

I never saw them in an urban situation, except on display outside
armouries after their retirement and an occasional patrol by the Force
Reserve through the suburbs of Nicosia. They were quite tricky to
drive in snow as they could high-centre on the belly plate and wind up
with no traction under any wheel. At the same time, because of their
transmission and transfer case design, if they had one wheel on the
ground that could still drive they could usually keep moving.

The Canadian versions I saw had no turret (they were hell in winter)
so I am sure their drivers would have been really polite.
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On 1 Oct 2003 08:28:34 -0700, (lisieux) wrote:

Mmm, with two triggers and hand-polished walnut stocks for full
Victorian authenticity when on a drive for some beaten Mau Mau. Only
when the season's open, mind.

My Great Uncle Charlie prefered to go Mau Mauing with a .600 Nitro
Express hammer gun. Whether it was ethical or not depends on one's
perspective on franchised colonial wars. The slug was the size of an
old gas stove and if that missed the culprit, the noise would surely
kill the blighter.

I think this is where the old Webley RIC .577 pistols came in: when
facing down the rabid hordes of Fenians waving sheets of recycled
Chartist propaganda and stoked high on IRB hallucinogens, you needed
the kind of high-momentum stopping power on savage, uncivilised
nervous systems that worked with the .455 on hoped-up Zulu impis and
45 ACP on gibbering Phillipino tribesmen. Indeed, I think there
might be an arithmetical progression in terms of the relationship
between colonial enforcement and the pistol calibre required to subdue
the restless natives responding to the imposition of imperialist
oppression like cricket, district health officers and increased
Vickers dividends at their expense.

One can either hit the bloody target or one can't. Of course that is just a
civilian perspective.

It took until 1956 before the Treasury would allow squaddies even a
semi-automatic version.

Can't blame everything on Suez.

It worked for Eden.

Gavin Bailey


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On 1 Oct 2003 09:14:25 -0700, Steyr wrote:

. I know Gavin from the grand days we
spent in Kenya together, cheerfully shooting natives to keep the map pink.

When the natives start introducing maxims like "democracy", it's time
to introduce them to the Maxim.

I now hunt wildlfe documentary film makers and sell the
meat on the black-market. The white market kind of got expelled from the
country.

You should have got a job as a meejah consultant showing all the yank
camera crews around the ghetto. We could have staged some on-demand
hardcore warry actions scenes for you, like the company commander
driving his landie into the back of a tractor, ambushing the local IRA
QM on his way to fradulently claim housing benefit from the colonial
occupying power and other such cutting-edge combat situations from the
war zone.

Well, if Geraldo can do it, I think we can do it with more
credibility, and undercut his price in the process.

Gavin Bailey



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