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On 15 Dec 2005 22:35:35 -0800, Robert M. Gary wrote:
Sometimes it can be distracting. My first IFR approach was into MRY with ceilings at 800. I broke out, started looking for the airport and flew right through the LOC looking for the airport. Lesson, learned. Keep flying the ILS until you see the runway. What happened to me, was that I had to apply a 40 degree correction to the right account for 40 knot winds quartering headwinds, and I broke out looking for the airport and found it 40 degrees off my nose to the left, Totally confused me at first as first instinct when breaking out is to see it off the nose. Luckily, I kept flying the ILS as you advised above til I got myself visually oriented. Strange sensation to put all our faith into the instruments, and break out and no airport off the nose of the plane..... It was at my 10:00. Allen |
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three-eight-hotel wrote On 12/16/05 06:51,:
So... having no actual time, under my belt, how would you typically go out and practice your approaches? Would you file an IFR flight plan to SAC or MHR and request multiple approaches in the air, or would you popup out of O61 and contact NORCAL requesting "practice?" approaches into MHR/SAC? My 2 cents. Although I flew actual with the instructor, I was wary of flying actual on my own. So pretty much by default, I waited until I needed to do a departure with a now closed in airport. It was fine, but I think now unecessary. The valley is ideal for actual training. File from the bay area in the clear, IFR all the way. Then, you will be on system, get a nice letdown into the clouds over the valley, and some nice approaches, then back into the clear and home. Hell, if you get nervous or tired, you could even just ask to up and out of it for a while. I've done most of my actual in the valley, usually into Stockton south of there. I also discovered a nice trick from my instructor, to request "delaying vector". If you find you are tired, falling behind or need to get reorganized, you ask for that, and relax and get prepared again. After an hour of actual approaches, you can get pretty tired. |
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A Lieberman wrote On 12/16/05 12:02,:
On 15 Dec 2005 22:35:35 -0800, Robert M. Gary wrote: Sometimes it can be distracting. My first IFR approach was into MRY with ceilings at 800. I broke out, started looking for the airport and flew right through the LOC looking for the airport. Lesson, learned. Keep flying the ILS until you see the runway. What happened to me, was that I had to apply a 40 degree correction to the right account for 40 knot winds quartering headwinds, and I broke out looking for the airport and found it 40 degrees off my nose to the left, Totally confused me at first as first instinct when breaking out is to see it off the nose. Luckily, I kept flying the ILS as you advised above til I got myself visually oriented. Strange sensation to put all our faith into the instruments, and break out and no airport off the nose of the plane..... It was at my 10:00. Allen And here I will **** everyone off: That's why you need the GPS. Much better situational awareness. |
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Scott Moore wrote:
Strange sensation to put all our faith into the instruments, and break out and no airport off the nose of the plane..... It was at my 10:00. Allen And here I will **** everyone off: That's why you need the GPS. Much better situational awareness. How would that help? Unless the GPS knows your heading (and most don't), the map display will be ground track up, and will show the airport straight ahead. This could just confuse the situation even further. Mike |
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On 12/16/2005 4:20 PM, Mike Adams wrote:
Scott Moore wrote: Strange sensation to put all our faith into the instruments, and break out and no airport off the nose of the plane..... It was at my 10:00. Allen And here I will **** everyone off: That's why you need the GPS. Much better situational awareness. How would that help? Unless the GPS knows your heading (and most don't), the map display will be ground track up, and will show the airport straight ahead. This could just confuse the situation even further. Mike Right. I was taught to be aware of my wind correction angle, and the direction I will need to look for the airport when I finally break out. -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Sacramento, CA |
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No, you need to hear "cleared to...".
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Got it!!! ;-)
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I also discovered a nice trick from my instructor, to request
"delaying vector". If you find you are tired, falling behind or need to get reorganized, you ask for that, and relax and get prepared again. After an hour of actual approaches, you can get pretty tired. I haven't heard of doing that, but it sounds like a great thing to remember! I recall being vectored waayyyyy out on occaision, for some unknown reason. It was always a great chance to relax, reorganize and prepare for the next approach. Thanks for the tip! |
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Strangly in some cases they don't provide that service for VFR
instrument approaches. For some reason when you get practice approaches into Lincoln, CA you are always told "no seperation services provided". Not sure what is so special about that airport because I've never been told that anywhere else. -Robert |
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Call the TRACON and ask them, it is probably in their
"letter of agreement" and VFR is always responsible for separation, even if the radar says they are giving you traffic. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm -- Merry Christmas Have a Safe and Happy New Year Live Long and Prosper Jim Macklin "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com... | Strangly in some cases they don't provide that service for VFR | instrument approaches. For some reason when you get practice approaches | into Lincoln, CA you are always told "no seperation services provided". | Not sure what is so special about that airport because I've never been | told that anywhere else. | | -Robert | |
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