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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... Sure. What did you indoctrinate your kids into? Nothing. They can make their own choices whenever they wish. I give them all the answers I can and find out the ones I can't. They are very curious kids and I have always been a pretty curious and scientifically oriented person. And I know how to say "I don't know." It has been a learning experience for all of us. And their teachers and all their friends mothers have always commented on how well behaved they are. I guess my athiestic morals can't be all that bad. mike regish (and that IS my real name) BTW, I don't really give a rats ass what grade you give me. Really? Then why does it bother you so much? I'm curious as to what makes you think it bothers me. I'll give you a B+ on grammar, but you need to add an apostrophe to rat's. The mark of the desperately wrong. Pointing out typos. |
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"Matt Barrow" wrote: in message ... Both are correct. Populations of organisms "learn" the right way to survive in their environments or they perish. That's nice, but that's not "right from wrong" except on the most extreme fringe. We're talking morality (self preservation) and ethics (conduct towards others) which are intellectual pursuits, not biological (though they are linked). What's the difference? They are both behaviors. Behavior in all animals is a combination of instinct and learning. It's all biological. The ability to do this is coded into their genes. The coding changes over time due to a combination of mutation and natural selection, i.e., by evolution. Animals have instincts that have developed from evolution. Humans have reason and, from that, develop principles. Humans have instincts; other animals can reason. It's only a matter of degree. "Principles" is a fancy name for social behavior useful to the species. -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote: OK, can you point out the passage that says you should kill Jews? I read the above twice and just don't see it. "But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name? They will still keep doing it in secret." What do you suppose Luther is implying should be done about those nasty Jews, if burning down their synagogues wasn't enough? And just in case that lovely sentiment doesn't sufficiently impress you that genocide marks many pages in Christian history, try this one: (The following excerpt is from Las Casas' book _A Short Account Of The Destruction Of the Indies_, Penguin Books, Edited and Translated by Nigel Griffin.) "They forced their way into native settlements, slaughtering everyone they found there, including small children, old men, pregnant women, and even women who had just given birth. ...They spared no one, erecting especially wide gibbets on which they could string their victims up with their feet just off the ground and then burn them alive thirteen at a time, in honor of our Savior and the twelve Apostles, or tie dry straw to their bodies and set fire to it. Some they chose to keep alive and simply cut their wrists, leaving their hands dangling, saying to them: 'Take this letter' -- meaning that their sorry condition would as a warning to those hiding in the hills...." There's lots, lots more, if you care to look. |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote: I'm no supporter of the Catholic church, so I won't argue with you there. The Catholic church doesn't follow the Bible in many ways and much of what they believe in and do is simply not supported by scripture and often outright condemned. I know most Catholics would disagree, but I don't consider Catholicism to be Christianity as they tend to elevate Mary to a level equal to or even higher than Christ. In discussions like this it usually isn't long before the retreating Christian pulls out the old "no true Scotsman" argument. |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:03:09 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote: wrote in message ... So very true. The world is overrunning with immoral religious types. Sort of, but the proper term is "ethics" (pertaining to others), not "morality" (pertaining to self). My dictionary doesn't quite see the distinction here. Moral: Relating tot he principles or right and wrong in behavior. conforming to a standard. Operating on one's conscience or *ethical* judgment. "Moral" implies conformity to established sanctioned codes or accepted notions of right and wrong; "Ethical" may suggest the involvement of more difficult or subtle questions of rightness, fairness, or equity. Ethical: of or relating to ethics. Involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval. Mores: The fixed morally binding customs of a particular group. In essence, what is considered moral varies from group to group, but those moral values tend to be fixed within the groups. I would say that ethics is the performance to a moral standard. For example. When doing business in many countries it is normal and considered ethical to help out the favorite causes of the officials to speed up or get things done (IE greasing the palms). In other areas of the world such conduct is not considered unethical and even criminal. I once attended a seminar where those present were told that if they accepted assignments in some areas of the world they would be expected to conduct themselves according to the local ethics. If they had a problem with that then they should either request they not be assigned overseas assignments, or seek employment elsewhere. You should not go into another country and expect your ethics to be considered normal. Doing so can bring about a great deal of strife and even personal discomfort. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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mike regish wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... Sure. What did you indoctrinate your kids into? Nothing. They can make their own choices whenever they wish. I give them all the answers I can and find out the ones I can't. They are very curious kids and I have always been a pretty curious and scientifically oriented person. And I know how to say "I don't know." It has been a learning experience for all of us. And their teachers and all their friends mothers have always commented on how well behaved they are. I guess my athiestic morals can't be all that bad. So you indoctrinate them into the religion of "free thinking", philosophy, etc. I was just curious. mike regish (and that IS my real name) BTW, I don't really give a rats ass what grade you give me. Really? Then why does it bother you so much? I'm curious as to what makes you think it bothers me. Because you bothered to reply to it. I'll give you a B+ on grammar, but you need to add an apostrophe to rat's. The mark of the desperately wrong. Pointing out typos. The mark of the arrogantly wrong. Matt |
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Dan Luke wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote: I'm no supporter of the Catholic church, so I won't argue with you there. The Catholic church doesn't follow the Bible in many ways and much of what they believe in and do is simply not supported by scripture and often outright condemned. I know most Catholics would disagree, but I don't consider Catholicism to be Christianity as they tend to elevate Mary to a level equal to or even higher than Christ. In discussions like this it usually isn't long before the retreating Christian pulls out the old "no true Scotsman" argument. You can believe whatever you want. But Baptists haven't agreed with Catholic views for a lot longer than I've been around. Matt |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote: "No true Scotsman..." |
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