Emergency Descents with ATC COMS - Video

Flaps_50! wrote:
On Sep 8, 3:15Â*pm, wrote:
BeechSundowner wrote:
On Sep 7, 10:04Â*am, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

Nope, but I can see lots of restricted airspace and victors so where
is this NE training area exactly?

10 NE of KJAN per my post to you. Â*If you see **lots(( of restricted
airspace around KJAN, you need more lessons on reading sectionals.

Sounds to me like someone needs an extensive review of air space and
how to read sectionals at their next flight review.

The closest restricted area to KJAN I could find was about 70 nm away.


No, the victors are restricted airspace for aerobatics. Have another
look at the sectional.

Cheers

I said "restricted area".

You are blithering idiot.



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BeechSundowner wrote:
On Sep 10, 5:35Â*pm, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

No, the victors are restricted airspace for aerobatics. Have another
look at the sectional.

Before you continue to embarrass yourself, do you know the dimensions
of a victor airway?

Hint one, they don't put practice areas in victor airways.

He has no clue what the word "restricted" means.


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On Sep 11, 10:56*am, Robert Moore wrote:
"Flaps_50!" *wrote

No, the victors are restricted airspace for aerobatics. Have another
look at the sectional.

That's not the definition of "restricted airspace" here in the USofA.

If you insist on arguing with the Yanks, who have you out numbered by a
very large margin, you would be advised to set forth just who's regs
and terminology are going to be used.

From the Aeronautical Information Manual:
3-4-3. Restricted Areas

a. Restricted areas contain airspace identified by an area on the
surface of the earth within which the flight of aircraft, while not
wholly prohibited, is subject to restrictions.

Yes, that what's I understand restricted to mean. I assume we agree
that aerobatics are not permitted within 4 miles of a airway. So, if
the use of that airspace is restricted to non-aerobatic use then isn't
it restricted since: "...the flight of aircraft, while not wholly
prohibited, is subject to restrictions." In this case the restriction
is no aerobatic flight. Is this wrong? Really I want to know -it
could be an exam question!

Cheers

On Sep 11, 11:15*am, wrote:
BeechSundowner wrote:
On Sep 10, 5:35*pm, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

No, the victors are restricted airspace for aerobatics. Have another
look at the sectional.

Before you continue to embarrass yourself, do you know the dimensions
of a victor airway?

Hint one, they don't put practice areas in victor airways.

He has no clue what the word "restricted" means.


I'm looking at this sectional

http://skyvector.com/#52-28-3-4391-3470

About 10 miles NE of KJAN I see class C,E and a Victor. The next
Victor centerline is 18m NE. Is this wrong?

Cheers


and

On Sep 11, 11:15*am, wrote:
Flaps_50! wrote:
On Sep 8, 3:15*pm, wrote:
BeechSundowner wrote:
On Sep 7, 10:04*am, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

Nope, but I can see lots of restricted airspace and victors so where
is this NE training area exactly?

10 NE of KJAN per my post to you. *If you see **lots(( of restricted
airspace around KJAN, you need more lessons on reading sectionals.

Sounds to me like someone needs an extensive review of air space and
how to read sectionals at their next flight review.

The closest restricted area to KJAN I could find was about 70 nm away.

No, the victors are restricted airspace for aerobatics. Have another
look at the sectional.

Cheers

I said "restricted area".

You are blithering idiot.


Ok, look at this sectional and what do you see 10 miles NE of KJAN?

http://skyvector.com/#52-28-3-4391-3470

My question is, are aerobatics normally allowed in that location?

I'd say no, but if I'm wrong I'd like to know why (being a 'blithering
idiot').

Cheers

I see, thanks for the compliment.

Cheers

On Sep 11, 10:45*am, BeechSundowner wrote:
On Sep 10, 5:35*pm, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

No, the victors are restricted airspace for aerobatics. Have another
look at the sectional.

Before you continue to embarrass yourself, do you know the dimensions
of a victor airway?

Hint one, they don't put practice areas in victor airways.

How patronising. Your stated location "10m NE of KJAN" seems to be
within 4 miles of the centerline of a Victor and since you were at
4000' are you maintaining that aerobatics are allowed there?

Cheers

On Sep 11, 3:12*am, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

How patronising. Your stated location "10m NE of KJAN" seems to be
within 4 miles of the centerline of a Victor and since you were at
4000' are you maintaining that aerobatics are allowed there?

I was in a designated practice area. While you may think I was
conducting aerobatics, even if I was, it was within legal airspace
confines. Next you will tell me they allow practice areas to be place
in areas to terrorize airways near them. I will say I was well clear
of the outer shelf of Charlie, so my distance most likely was further
NE. Try to use some common sense if you have any.

BTW, the 10 miles you should know is an approximate so you knew where
to look on the sectional. One minutes flight takes me 2 miles. I am
also based near a VOR with converging airways so other then proving
your point I was near airways, I was in a designated practice area
where abrupt flight maneuvers are expected.

Oh yeah, so if I do a power on stall that exceeds 30 degrees pitch up,
do you call that aerobatics? That's not a normal flight pitch? I got
bunches of videos of these posted flown in the same practice area. I
bet you will avoid this question.

Oh yeah, power off stalls, when the nose pitches down more then 30
degrees. Are you going to call that aerobatics? I got bunches of
videos of these posted flown in the same practice area and I bet you
will avoid this question too.

This maneuver I performed is no different then stalls, it was a flight
maneuver to enhance my safety should a mid air be imminent.

I think I had enough of feeding your trolling characteristics
regarding the legality of this video The video speaks for itself
regarding legality and like I said, I called my local FSDO and they
said I was within the legal FAA parameters based on what he heard from
me so no need to further respond to you regarding the legality of this
video.

Flaps_50! wrote:
On Sep 11, 11:15Â*am, wrote:
BeechSundowner wrote:
On Sep 10, 5:35Â*pm, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

No, the victors are restricted airspace for aerobatics. Have another
look at the sectional.

Before you continue to embarrass yourself, do you know the dimensions
of a victor airway?

Hint one, they don't put practice areas in victor airways.

He has no clue what the word "restricted" means.


I'm looking at this sectional

http://skyvector.com/#52-28-3-4391-3470

About 10 miles NE of KJAN I see class C,E and a Victor. The next
Victor centerline is 18m NE. Is this wrong?

What has this to do with your total lack of understanding of the terms
"restricted" and "designated practice area"?


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"Flaps_50!" wrote:

On Sep 11, 10:56*am, Robert Moore wrote:
"Flaps_50!" *wrote

No, the victors are restricted airspace for aerobatics. Have another
look at the sectional.

That's not the definition of "restricted airspace" here in the USofA.

If you insist on arguing with the Yanks, who have you out numbered by a
very large margin, you would be advised to set forth just who's regs
and terminology are going to be used.

From the Aeronautical Information Manual:
3-4-3. Restricted Areas

a. Restricted areas contain airspace identified by an area on the
surface of the earth within which the flight of aircraft, while not
wholly prohibited, is subject to restrictions.

Yes, that what's I understand restricted to mean. I assume we agree
that aerobatics are not permitted within 4 miles of a airway. So, if
the use of that airspace is restricted to non-aerobatic use then isn't
it restricted since: "...the flight of aircraft, while not wholly
prohibited, is subject to restrictions." In this case the restriction
is no aerobatic flight. Is this wrong? Really I want to know -it
could be an exam question!

The flight of aircraft is "subject to restrictions" everywhere within
the US and most other countries. For example, can't PIC without a valid
pilot's certificate. Can't fly inside clouds while VFR. Do these
restrictions make the whole country a "restricted area"? Of course not!

"Restricted area" has a specific meaning in the US. It is specific
airspace which has special restrictions applied beyond those found in
normal airspace. On a sectional you will find restricted airspace to be
designated using a solid blue border with perpendicular blue dashes
pointing toward the inside. For an example, pull up NHK on skyvector.com.

Victor airways are not "restricted airspace".

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Flaps_50! wrote:
On Sep 11, 11:15Â*am, wrote:
Flaps_50! wrote:
On Sep 8, 3:15Â*pm, wrote:
BeechSundowner wrote:
On Sep 7, 10:04Â*am, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

Nope, but I can see lots of restricted airspace and victors so where
is this NE training area exactly?

10 NE of KJAN per my post to you. Â*If you see **lots(( of restricted
airspace around KJAN, you need more lessons on reading sectionals.

Sounds to me like someone needs an extensive review of air space and
how to read sectionals at their next flight review.

The closest restricted area to KJAN I could find was about 70 nm away.

No, the victors are restricted airspace for aerobatics. Have another
look at the sectional.

Cheers

I said "restricted area".

You are blithering idiot.


Ok, look at this sectional and what do you see 10 miles NE of KJAN?

http://skyvector.com/#52-28-3-4391-3470

My question is, are aerobatics normally allowed in that location?

I'd say no, but if I'm wrong I'd like to know why (being a 'blithering
idiot').

The question is irrelevant as no one was doing "aerobatics" in the area.

There are no restricted areas anywhere in that area.

You are a blithering idiot because in spite of being told the definitions
of "aerobatics", "restricted area", and "designated practice area" you
continue to babble on.


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