Russia Threatens to Strike Terror Bases

Eunometic wrote:
The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge
against various European countries.

Any proof to this absurd claim? The one you tried to use below doesn't fly.

The behaviour of the US during the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues

The US came in because the Europeans had allowed, through their own
inaction, a local mess to become so bad they couldn't handle it
themselves. The Europeans were very upset to find out their local
militaries were incapable of doing much of anything, and perhaps there
was a good reason after all for the US's defense budget.

If this is the type of thanks the US receives after it was invited in by
the Europeans to clean up their own mess in their back yard, then
perhaps next time we'll let you go it alone.

"Eunometic" wrote in message
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The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge
against various European countries. The behaviour of the US during
the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues was highly pro-islamic, clearly
calculated to win favour in the middle east for the US oil interests

Utter tosh

The USA was initially reluctant in both cases to get involved and
the first country to recognise Bosnian independence
was Germany

Keith

He also said the Nazis yested 2 atomic bombs and that the Russians had won in
Chechnya and all was quiet.


If you have any doubts about German nuclear bombs you must ask yourself only 2
questions:
1) How Dr.Alvares learned "how to clean up some wires" at the literally last
moment?

2)Why and how US uran production spiked in June 45?

Germany nuclear technology was till occupation in April 2 years ahead of Anglo
technology and Anglo bosses were aware of this.
And that was the real reason why Anglos needed Normandy landings.

Heck the German nuclear technology which supposed to be used by Japanase
aganist advancing Americans used by Americans aganist retreating Japanase.

Regarding Checnya: I did not post anything about Chechnya , much less said that
Russians had won.

On 9 Sep 2004 13:44:10 -0700, (Eunometic)
wrote:


The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge
against various European countries. The behaviour of the US during
the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues was highly pro-islamic,

So you think the Serbs had a right to just kill and expell all the
muslims in Kosovo?

You are sick.

If that is your history of "using islamic based insurgence as a
wedge," you are also laughably pathetic.

"Denyav" wrote in message
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He also said the Nazis yested 2 atomic bombs and that the Russians had
won in
Chechnya and all was quiet.


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Germany nuclear technology was till occupation in April 2 years ahead of
Anglo
technology and Anglo bosses were aware of this.
And that was the real reason why Anglos needed Normandy landings.

This is pure fantasy.

Heck the German nuclear technology which supposed to be used by Japanase
aganist advancing Americans used by Americans aganist retreating Japanase.

It is just possible that a small amount of captured German fissile material
was used against Japan.

John

This is pure fantasy.

Why Eisenhover in his book "Crusade in Europa" stated that if the occupation of
Germany delayed only by a couple of months,mankind would have faced its
biggest disaster.
Dont forget Germany was practically defeated in 1942 and in 1945 Wehrmacht
could find only kids and senior citizens to fill its ranks.
So how could such badly defeated country present such a gigantic danger if
allies were late only by a couple of months?.
Answer was Third Reichs S-weapons program which included nuclear weapons.

With exception of SS own nuclear program Anglo management was aware of every
development in third reich,including the achivements of von Ardenne/Houtermanns
and Diebner teams.
So they with exception of SS work had an excellent picture of German research
and they concluded that the Germans were two years ahead of Manhattan Project
and the gap was was widening.
So D-Day was the only way to prevent Germany becoming worlds first and sole
nuclear power.

It is just possible that a small amount of captured German fissile material
was used against Japan.

Not a small amount ,the enriched uran production spike that you can see in June
45,is solely due German stocks.

Situation of Manhattan Project in April was totally hopeless,they could build
an Uran bomb but there was no Uran for that and it was impossible to produce
enough Uran till bomb deadline,on other hand they had enough plutonium for a
pluto bomb but they were unable to design an igniter for that.
So they had basically an Uran bomb without uran and a plutonium bomb without
igniter !.
Their worst nighmare became a reality in the spring of 45 .
But everything changed almost overnight with occupation of Germany and the
arrival of U-234

This is pure fantasy.

No only the least known fact,if u-234 completed her voyage, Japan would become
worlds second nuclear power not US.

"Denyav" wrote in message
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This is pure fantasy.

Why Eisenhover in his book "Crusade in Europa" stated that if the
occupation of
Germany delayed only by a couple of months,mankind would have faced its
biggest disaster.
Dont forget Germany was practically defeated in 1942

Not at all! In 1942 the tide was just beginning to turn against Germany. Far
from 'practcally defeated'

and in 1945 Wehrmacht
could find only kids and senior citizens to fill its ranks.
So how could such badly defeated country present such a gigantic danger
if
allies were late only by a couple of months?.
Answer was Third Reichs S-weapons program which included nuclear weapons.

Your problem seems to be that you cannot distinguish between plans and
realities. We all know about all the wonderful weapons that the different
branches of the Third Reich had *planned*.

In reality, they struggled. This was the regime that never launched an
aircraft carrier, and never built a convincing four-engined bomber. Whose
leader fiddled away the days while his empire collapsed, sketching designs
for post-war architectural projects.

It was more excusable for Eisenhower to proceed on worst-case assumptions
about the German nuclear programme in 1944 than it is for you to believe it
60 years later, when 60 years of research have failed to come up with any
evidence at all for the things you are saying.

With exception of SS own nuclear program Anglo management was aware of
every
development in third reich,including the achivements of von
Ardenne/Houtermanns
and Diebner teams.
So they with exception of SS work had an excellent picture of German
research
and they concluded that the Germans were two years ahead of Manhattan
Project
and the gap was was widening.
So D-Day was the only way to prevent Germany becoming worlds first and
sole
nuclear power.

It is just possible that a small amount of captured German fissile
material
was used against Japan.

Not a small amount ,the enriched uran production spike that you can see in
June
45,is solely due German stocks.

Situation of Manhattan Project in April was totally hopeless,they could
build
an Uran bomb but there was no Uran for that and it was impossible to
produce
enough Uran till bomb deadline,on other hand they had enough plutonium for
a
pluto bomb but they were unable to design an igniter for that.
So they had basically an Uran bomb without uran and a plutonium bomb
without
igniter !.

What is an igniter?

Their worst nighmare became a reality in the spring of 45 .
But everything changed almost overnight with occupation of Germany and the
arrival of U-234

This is pure fantasy.

No only the least known fact,if u-234 completed her voyage, Japan would
become
worlds second nuclear power not US.

How would they have done that without the know-how they and the Nazis
lacked? Are we to assume that both the Japanese and the Germans possessed
the ability to make an 'igniter' (whatever that is) and yet the Americans
did not?

Denyav, believe me, I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone. But
where is your actual evidence for these beliefs?

And please don't say it depends on secret papers which only you or a man you
met in a pub have access to!

John

"John Mullen" wrote in message
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"Denyav" wrote in message


And please don't say it depends on secret papers which only you or a man
you met in a pub have access to!

John


Aw now you have called his bluff.

Keith

Not at all! In 1942 the tide was just beginning to turn against Germany. Far
from 'practcally defeated'

Unlike Anglo led global alliance that had almost unlimited material and human
resources,Germans had exteremely small resources,so when their advances were
stopped or even slowed down only,they were basically defeated,they had no
resources to fight a prolonged war.

Your problem seems to be that you cannot distinguish between plans and
realities. We all know about all the wonderful weapons that the different
branches of the Third Reich had *planned*.

Why Anglos did not and do not dispute the fact that,for example,Me262 and V-2
were developed by germans during the war?
Because they were widely used during war and their existence was witnessed by
the thousands of allied military personnel and civilians.
I am pretty sure if they were not widely used during war and Anglos found only
a couple of Me262 and V-2s in top secret underground production facilities,we
would now be discussing whether Germans were able to develop fighter jets and
ballistic missiles during WWII.

Actually nuclear technology transfer from Germany to Anglo countries during
last days of WWII and after WWII actually represented the low-end of the
technology stolen from Germany.

Other "wonderful weapons" that 3rd Reich planned became the basis for the
advanced weapons US "developed" within last 60 years.
Lets remember for the technology transfer you dont need always a component
transfer,document transfer is many times sufficent.


In reality, they struggled. This was the regime that never launched an
aircraft carrier, and never built a convincing four-engined bomber. Whose
leader fiddled away the days while his empire collapsed, sketching designs
for post-war architectural projects

There was NO conventional aircraft,aircraft carrier,submarine or tank project
of 3rd Reich among S-Projects.

During his visit to Klein-Machow facility in fall 44 Hitler was not even
allowed to take his adjutant and personal bodyguard with him into the
facility,much less fiddling with S-projects.

It was more excusable for Eisenhower to proceed on worst-case assumptions
about the German nuclear programme in 1944 than it is for you to believe it

Since Ike is not alive now we cannot ask him why he wrote down that statement.

0 years later, when 60 years of research have failed to come up with any
evidence at all for the things you are saying.


What world heard in last 60 years was the story that victorious Anglos needed
world to hear nothing else.

What is an igniter?

Triggering device that Dr.Alvares after inspecting U-234 cargo and debriefing
U234s scientific passenger Dr.Schlicke made to work at the virtually last
minute by "cleaning up some wires".
(He was,like other MP scientists, unable to come up with working igniter
design in previous 18 months,but never mind!)

How would they have done that without the know-how they and the Nazis
lacked? Are we to assume that both the Japanese and the Germans possessed
the ability to make an 'igniter' (whatever that is) and yet the Americans
did not?

Japanase know how were coming from Germany.
Unlike Von Ardenne/Houtermans group that recognized igniter problem at very
early stage and started developing suitable igniter designs in late
41,Manhattan Project scientists recognized that problem very late and that was
one of the major blunders of MP.
So while Germans perfected their design,Manhattan Project was still trying to
design one.period.
German igniter was so excellent that yield of tested plutonium bomb exceeded
even best predictions of Manhattan Project scientists by a big margin.

Denyav, believe me, I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone. But
where is your actual evidence for these beliefs?

One thing we all know exactly is that all documents regarding this issue is
classified for 75 years,inlcluding the log of the "regular" US army division
that occupied one of the German nuclear development sites.
So you must check the.correspondence between Anglo management to find first
clues.

1)In March 45 powerful senators asking for the termination of Manhattan project
because there was no way that they can produce bomb bt the deadline.
2)Even Manhattan projects top scientists predicted in early 45 that not enough
uran will be available for the bomb.
3)Everthing went according to the their predictions till June but in June an
unpredicted miracle happened.Uran production spiked !.
4)Groves and Anglo management tried to explain this spike in production but in
close examination everything he said failed explain the spike.So where did the
extra Uran come from? From outer space maybe?

5)Igniter story is even more ridicilous.
We know that Manhattan Project recognized igniter problem very late and tried
for 18 months to produce a working igniter design in vain.
So Manhattan Project scientists main concern was not even the success of
Plutonium bomb test but was how to collect precious plutonium from the test
area after failed test.
So they were pretty sure that igniter wont work.
But test was a great success,the yield of the bomb exceeded even most
optimistic expectations of Manhattan Projecters by a great margin.
How Manhattan Project scientists made a such big prediction errror?
Well in closer examination you will learn that this "excellent" igniter arrived
only hours before actual test date and was "designed" by Dr.Alvares (later
Nobel laurate).
Problem is Dr.Alvares was trying to design an igniter for last 18 months
without success,so how he came up with a revolutionary design at the virtually
last minute?
What Anglo management did not tell the world is that Dr.Alvares was the man who
inspected U-234 cargo and debriefed Dr.Schlicke and Dr.Schlicke's duty was to
help Japanese to assemble the bomb.period.

After war Dr.Alvares always tried to dodge questions about igniter development
for 40 years.
When he was asked how he developed an excellent igniter and saved US nuclear
program.
His answer was always enlightening,"Well,I cleaned up some wires"
I am sure his answer did not make von Ardenne happy.

Aw now you have called his bluff.

Keith


Sorry,Mr.Willshaw but is 75 years not enough?