ATC mutiny brewing

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:43:27 -0400, Mike wrote
in :

The biggest cause of flight delays is the airline scheduling and use of
more Regional jets on the same runways... RJs take essentially the same
runway space as traditional jets and only carry 1/4 to 1/3 as many
passangers. More airline flights trying to use the same runways, so
something has to give.

It would appear that the majority of Boeing's airliner production is
the 737 (118 to 215 seats*) currently:

Boeing Reports Third-Quarter 2007 Deliveries

CHICAGO, Oct. 04, 2007 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today
announced deliveries across its commercial and defense operations
for the third quarter of 2007.

Major program deliveries during the third quarter were as follows:

Major Programs 3rd Quarter
2007 Year-to-Date
2007
Commercial Airplanes Programs
737 81 250
747 5 12
767 3 9
777 20 58
Total 109 329

Integrated Defense Systems Programs
Apache (New Builds)
9 17
Chinook (New Builds)
1 7
C-17
4 12
C-32/C-40 0 2
F/A-18E/F and EA-18G 11 33
Satellites (Government & Commercial) 1 4
T-45TS 2 7
F-15 3 6
Delta II - Commercial 1 2
###


* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737

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YougotitSam wrote:


Here is the FAA's new priority with your tax money. Keep in mind
we have RECORD airline delays

Neither the FAA nor the Air Force would have the authority to fix
the record airline delays. It would take the ability to put into
place procedures that the air line lobby and their bought off
flaks in congress and the executive branch would never allow.


Or automation (that would allow such procedures) that the unions
have opposed, and the funding structure that does not create a
revenue stream that allows such modernization.

It's mostly about commuter jets and not enough runways at major
airports.

Atlanta recently spent BILLIONS on a 5th runway and the delays there
now are WORSE than when they had 4 runways. Apparently it is more
than just a runway problem

The facts are the FAA is out of control and is filled with
incompetent women and minorities in senior management positions.

Dance around it all day but the problem is
BAD AND INCOMPETENT FAA MANAGEMENT

PERIOD
The truth of the matter...
yes, Atlanta and the airlines (not the FAA) spent $billions on the
5th runway. Flight delays immediately decreased significantly. A
couple of months later one of the otehr 4 runways was shut down for
about 5 or 6 months for "renovations". During that time the airport
again operated with 4 runways and delays did increase to even worse
than before the 5th runway was completed. Once that runway was put
back into service, delays dropped back to the lower, almost
acceptable, levels. Can you imagine the problems if the 5th runway
had not been built and Atlanta had to operate on 3 runways while the
one was renovated. The biggest cause of flight delays is the airline
scheduling and use of more Regional jets on the same runways... RJs
take essentially the same runway space as traditional jets and only
carry 1/4 to 1/3 as many passangers. More airline flights trying to
use the same runways, so something has to give.
Mike: N44979 Archer II at RYY


The ATL 10/28 was originally supposed to be a commuter
runway only. The Federal Government or FAA whatever you want
to call it kicked in quite a bit of the money also. I still
say you can build 50 new runways but if you can't modernize
and you treat your key personnel like crap it won't matter
what you do. T



Yes, and thank God you're saying it in usenet.


Bertie

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:43:27 -0400, Mike wrote
in :

The biggest cause of flight delays is the airline scheduling and use of
more Regional jets on the same runways... RJs take essentially the same
runway space as traditional jets and only carry 1/4 to 1/3 as many
passangers. More airline flights trying to use the same runways, so
something has to give.

It would appear that the majority of Boeing's airliner production is
the 737 (118 to 215 seats*) currently:

Boeing Reports Third-Quarter 2007 Deliveries

CHICAGO, Oct. 04, 2007 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today
announced deliveries across its commercial and defense operations
for the third quarter of 2007.

Major program deliveries during the third quarter were as follows:

Major Programs 3rd Quarter
2007 Year-to-Date
2007
Commercial Airplanes Programs
737 81 250
747 5 12
767 3 9
777 20 58
Total 109 329

Integrated Defense Systems Programs
Apache (New Builds)
9 17
Chinook (New Builds)
1 7
C-17
4 12
C-32/C-40 0 2
F/A-18E/F and EA-18G 11 33
Satellites (Government & Commercial) 1 4
T-45TS 2 7
F-15 3 6
Delta II - Commercial 1 2
###


* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737
Yes, the 737 has been the most popular passenger jet for some time now.
But, the number of aircraft delivered by Boeing is not very
signicicant... Check the number of aircraft delivered or in use by US
airlines and you will find a huge increase in the use of Regional Jets.
Remember, Boeing does not manufacture a RJ (neither does Airbus). The
big RJ producers are Bombardier (Canadair RJ) and Embracer. Also, you
can't look at the aircraft 'owned' by the major airlines because most of
the RJs are flown by the "Commuter" airlines (ASA, Comair, American
Eagle, etc.)
Go to the major airport hubs where the long queues form for takeoff and
look at aircraft types... about half will be RJs these days. (Because
they fly shorter routes and turn around faster, they make more take-offs
and landings than larger, 'standard' jets, compounding the problem.)
Mike

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