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Electronic review of flight?
"Al" wrote in message
news:1135013678.12351f0117238d0d81fe8dc627be130d@r oc.usenetexchange.com... With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI Is this what you're looking for? http://www.appareo.com/ -Mike |
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"Al" writes:
GPS would be great, but how about attitude info? Have you seen the "HSI simulators" on modern handheld GPS systems? There is a lot you can do with the data from a GPS, especially if you're just trying to play back an instrument approach. The attitude can be estimated fairly well from GPS data unless you're doing loops on the localizer. I don't know if any of the current systems offer a USB port or SD card slot for output. It would seem an easy thing to sample the GPS/Airdata/Ratedata every couple of ms and put it out to a card/port. I'm more of a build-it-myself (instead of wait-for-some-manufacturer-to- want-to-do-it) kind of guy. I use a Garmin module with an RS-232 output. I also have a Bluetooth GPS. Either could easily go to something like my Gumstix http://www.gumstix.com/products.html which could capture the data to an SD. (I originally bought the Gumstix to capture cockpit audio for my wife's research project. 'twould be fun to hook it up to record from the intercom for your application too.) By the way Kyler, I have for several years enjoyed your sectionals. I appreciate hearing that. I should be resuming the updates soon. It took awhile of subscription lapse to learn that people (besides simulator guys) were using them and I'm working with a sponsor to resubscribe. --kyler |
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Electronic review of flight?
"Mike Murdock" wrote in message ... "Al" wrote in message news:1135013678.12351f0117238d0d81fe8dc627be130d@r oc.usenetexchange.com... With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI Is this what you're looking for? http://www.appareo.com/ -Mike Yes. The output is exactly what I was thinking of. I was thinking of an output port on the EFIS systems, maybe even including engine or configuration information. Something like a mini flight recorder. I had not considered making it a stand alone unit, but this makes it very flexible. Use it in any aircraft. Use it on models. Use it where no power supply exists, like gliders. Heck, tape it to the side of half pipe bicycle riders. One could use this anywhere things were going to happen quickly, in several dimensions, and you want know what happened. Thanks for the link. How did you learn of this? Al |
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Thanks for the link. How did you learn of this?
Al I saw it at Oshkosh this year. They had a unit connected to a PC. You could pick up the unit and rotate it a few degrees, or translate it a few inches and the PC screen tracked its motion precisely. Very impressive. -Mike |
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Electronic review of flight?
I wrote:
Have you seen the "HSI simulators" on modern handheld GPS systems? There is a lot you can do with the data from a GPS, especially if you're just trying to play back an instrument approach. The attitude can be estimated fairly well from GPS data unless you're doing loops on the localizer. I've been thinking about this more. It's not so clear to me that attitude can be estimated well enough to use for evaluating a student's approach. I'm thinking that the exact problems you're trying to identify (using pitch vs. power for altitude control, etc.) are going to cause problems for estimation. I still think there's a lot of use for GPS-only data and that it's a whole lot easier to collect than attitude info, but it's not likely to be sufficient for all that you were wanting. --kyler |
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Electronic review of flight?
You can absolutely do it. Use a Garmin 296 or 396 during your
flight...download the track into Mapsource software and replay and then if you want to be really fancy you can plot it on Google earth with software from this site: http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/ also check out http://web.295.ca/gpz550/TrackerGE/ there are some neat samples on both sites |
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Electronic review of flight?
The Chelton Flight Logic system logs 19 parameters once every second. Data
is in comma-delimited format, and can be transferred to a data card. I don't know if there is some way to represent this information in a pictoral format. Bernie "Mike Murdock" wrote in message ... "Al" wrote in message news:1135013678.12351f0117238d0d81fe8dc627be130d@r oc.usenetexchange.com... With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI Is this what you're looking for? http://www.appareo.com/ -Mike |
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:34:38 +0000, "Al"
wrote: With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. I use my Garmin GPS III Pilot in Little Thumb mode and plot the trail in OziExplorer, using scanned Jeppesen charts. See http://www.panoramix.demon.nl/pics/040220 jep.jpg http://www.panoramix.demon.nl/pics/040711 IFR.jpg http://www.panoramix.demon.nl/pics/040714 IFR.jpg The last one was my IFR checkride one year ago. Rene -- Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups |
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Comma delimited format [ CSV ] should import into EXCEL and
you could graph it as pie or bar charts. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P "baltobernie" wrote in message news:32htf.359$yW1.158@trnddc05... | The Chelton Flight Logic system logs 19 parameters once every second. Data | is in comma-delimited format, and can be transferred to a data card. I | don't know if there is some way to represent this information in a pictoral | format. | | Bernie | | | "Mike Murdock" wrote in message | ... | "Al" wrote in message | news:1135013678.12351f0117238d0d81fe8dc627be130d@r oc.usenetexchange.com... | With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), | has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like | all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in | instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a | simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review | questions. Al CFIAMI | | Is this what you're looking for? http://www.appareo.com/ | | -Mike | | | |
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