NATCA Going Down in Flames

fortunately knickers and kilts
are not among them.

Mine should arrive this week.

If you're going to wear a kilt, be sure to wear it correctly.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...

An employer not only has the right to impose a dress code on employees
-- he has a DUTY to do so.


Why?



In our college town, we've visited restaurants where you couldn't tell
the employees from the customers. College girls wearing peasant shirts
that showed their tatooed butts, no name badge, and no "we're here to
serve you" attitude translated into a single-visit, never to return.

In our hotel, our employee dress code is relatively liberal -- but it's
strictly adhered to. Our employees are required to wear either our
green "Alexis Park Inn & Suites" shirts, or a (supplied) aviation
themed Hawaiian shirt with a collar. In summer, khaki shorts are
allowed, but never cut-offs or blue jeans, and no t-shirts. A name
badge must be worn at all times.


The FAA banned khaki shorts. Why do you allow them?



Does it matter, since much of their work is on the phone? Hell, yes.
When a guest comes onto our property, we want them to be able to tell
the guards from the inmates, and we expect our employees to act
professional at all times.

If we expect this from hotel clerks, housekeepers, and waitresses, I
don't think it's too much to ask from our "professional" air traffic
controllers.


Would it matter what your employees wore if your guests never saw them?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Sometimes I work naked.

I was writing some code a mn ago, in my underwear, but I've
got a really cool boss (me) :-)

--Sylvain

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message

I haven't seen any information that supports your allegation, that
they (neither the union nor the employees) are using excessive and
unwarranted slowdown processes. Where did you see that?

"If a supervisor tries to talk with you regarding the way your are
dressed, it constitutes a formal meeting," the memo reads. "Stop
the conversation immediately and ask for a union representative.
The same approach should be used on any other changes in your
working conditions, ask for a rep immediately.

I suspect they don't keep surplus union reps hanging around just in case
someone needs one. If the number of "formal meetings" drastically
increases, then the reps and the members both probably have to come off the
scopes, requiring overtime to cover the absences. This is not a new tactic
in any union environment.

"Ron Lee" wrote in message

PS, The COMAIR pilots screwed up. Case closed. Quit trying to blame
ATC or taxiways.

Oh! Has the final report been published? I must have missed that!

wrote in message
ups.com...

It is the land of the FREE,

If they don't like the work rules in their place of employment they are
FREE to find a job elsewhere...............


Some will leave. One of the effects of messing with people that are
eligible to retire is a jump in retirements.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

Why not? Surely NATCA members are working under an agreement between
the union and the FAA.


There is no agreement.

If you are going to get paid for being a professional, you should dress like
a professional.

When I worked ATC, it was not the white shirt and narrow tie, but dress
slacks "Dockers" and sport shirts or collared golf shirts with pocket were
expected with decent shoes.

You never knew when there would be a tour coming through, Boy Scouts, Rotary
Club, Local Pilots on a "Raincheck" program, or maybe even the US Senator or
House Rep.

Perception is the whole thing, look like a bum and people will think you
work like a bum.

BT

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
As of today, the FAA has imposed a dress code on their employees,
requiring that they (*gasp!*) NOT where flip-flops and cut-offs to
work! Amazingly, believe it or not, these employees are now actually
going to be required to wear (*Oh-mi-God*) DRESS PANTS and a DRESS
SHIRT to work!

In the face of this terrible affront, the controller's union, NATCA,
has decided to do the following, quoted from AvWeb:
************************************************** ***********************************************
What's A Union To Do?
While the battle inside the towers and centers may (to outsiders) have
its whimsical side, the practical impact of the new regime could be
significant. NATCA appears determined to fight each and every violation
of the new rules cited by management. In a memo to controllers at a
major center (we do know which one), union leaders are urging members
to exercise their rights to the letter. "If a supervisor tries to talk
with you regarding the way your are dressed, it constitutes a formal
meeting," the memo reads. "Stop the conversation immediately and ask
for a union representative. The same approach should be used on any
other changes in your working conditions, ask for a rep immediately.
The Agency has a legal obligation to comply." But the memo also says
the overall battle won't be won by individual members discussing their
fashion challenges. "One person alone can not change the course the
agency has decided to take," the memo says. "However, collectively we
can unpave their course and start a new road. I and the rest of your
elected leaders will need your help now more than ever."
************************************************** ***********************************************
Unbelievable! They're actually going to fight against their employer
for dictating what they must wear to work... Apparently their right to
look like bums in a professional setting has been violated, and the
union is going on the offensive!

Whenever we sit and wonder why the Bush Administration has been pushing
ATC privatization so hard, all we must do is read articles like this
one. Imagine -- these folks are up in arms because they have to wear a
dress shirt to work! Can you imagine what must go on in those towers
when a supervisor actually needs something of substance accomplished?

The next time the union sends me one of their whiny spam-mails, asking
for help in the fight against privatization, I'm going to send them
this post. These so-called "civil servants" have done themselves (and
us) a terrible disservice by choosing this ridiculous issue to fight
about, and they have only increased the probability that we will see
ATC privatization.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...

When I take a CAP squadron or Boy Scout Troop on a tower tour, I expect
the controllers to look professional -- period. What does it say when
we require the kids to be in uniform, but the controllers are wearing
flip-flops and cut-off shorts?


In what tower did you see controllers wearing flip-flops and cut-off shorts?

"Emily" wrote in message
...

Sometimes I work naked.

Hey, as long as we don't graduate to communicating with you with
telescreens...


The human body is a beautiful thing.