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Drones To Be Certificated For GA?
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http://www.gatheringspot.net/news-article/general-discussion/lobbying-report-drones-fly-through-congress-and-american-skys The article originally had a picture of a non-drone SR-71 Blackbird which was removed. ??? My concern is that this certification will lead to the temporarypermanent closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact of smaller airfields. -- Live To Spend It |
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Drones To Be Certificated For GA?
On 4/19/2011 2:07 PM, hierophant wrote:
Appears so http://www.gatheringspot.net/news-article/general-discussion/lobbying-report-drones-fly-through-congress-and-american-skys The article originally had a picture of a non-drone SR-71 Blackbird which was removed. ??? My concern is that this certification will lead to the temporarypermanent closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact of smaller airfields. Your Cite is nothing more than a Political statement. Drones are on the way, get over it. |
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Drones To Be Certificated For GA?
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:55:54 -0600, Daryl wrote:
On 4/19/2011 2:07 PM, hierophant wrote: Appears so http://www.gatheringspot.net/news-article/general-discussion/lobbying-report-drones-fly-through-congress-and-american-skys The article originally had a picture of a non-drone SR-71 Blackbird which was removed. ??? My concern is that this certification will lead to the temporarypermanent closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact of smaller airfields. Your Cite is nothing more than a Political statement. Drones are on the way, get over it. Daryl, calm down. First, it is an opinion not a "cite" and one that I only partially share. Second, the fact that drones are coming is self-evident. Do you have your PPL? -- Live To Spend It |
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Drones To Be Certificated For GA?
On 4/19/2011 3:02 PM, hierophant wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:55:54 -0600, Daryl wrote: On 4/19/2011 2:07 PM, hierophant wrote: Appears so http://www.gatheringspot.net/news-article/general-discussion/lobbying-report-drones-fly-through-congress-and-american-skys The article originally had a picture of a non-drone SR-71 Blackbird which was removed. ??? My concern is that this certification will lead to the temporarypermanent closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact of smaller airfields. Your Cite is nothing more than a Political statement. Drones are on the way, get over it. Daryl, calm down. First, it is an opinion not a "cite" and one that I only partially share. Second, the fact that drones are coming is self-evident. Do you have your PPL? You needed to say that in the original post. It looked like it was a political statement or an anti government statement. Actually I have PTSD. Shall I go off the meds? Saying that I should go on my meds doesn't work over here. Of course, maybe I should. There are a few people that need messing up. |
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Drones To Be Certificated For GA?
"hierophant" wrote in message ... My concern is that this certification will lead to the temporarypermanent closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact of smaller airfields. Agree. The drone folks would love to simplify and cheapen things for themselves by 1) grabbing airspace and 2) by forcing the owners of all other planes to install transponder equipment so that drones can cheaply "see" them. When a drone is able to "see and avoid" just like a human pilot, then no special airspace will be necessary. That is the standard we should insist on. Until then, we should hold their feet to the fire. Video "see & avoid" technology is coming, and may someday be cheap enough to go in any well-equipped airplane. .. Vaughn |
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Drones To Be Certificated For GA?
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:59:01 -0400, vaughn wrote:
"hierophant" wrote in message ... My concern is that this certification will lead to the temporarypermanent closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact of smaller airfields. Agree. The drone folks would love to simplify and cheapen things for themselves by 1) grabbing airspace and 2) by forcing the owners of all other planes to install transponder equipment so that drones can cheaply "see" them. When a drone is able to "see and avoid" just like a human pilot, then no special airspace will be necessary. That is the standard we should insist on. Until then, we should hold their feet to the fire. Video "see & avoid" technology is coming, and may someday be cheap enough to go in any well-equipped airplane. .. Vaughn I had not thought about the see-avoid issue; this might give drones freer realm in general airspace. Which is better? See-avoid drones competing for any of our airspace or limited airspace for blind drones? A pickle. |
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Drones To Be Certificated For GA?
On Apr 19, 5:59*pm, "vaughn" wrote:
"hierophant" wrote in message ... My concern is that this certification will lead to the temporarypermanent closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact of smaller airfields. Agree. *The drone folks would love to simplify and cheapen things for themselves by 1) grabbing airspace and 2) by forcing the owners of all other planes to install transponder equipment so that drones can cheaply "see" them. * When a drone is able to "see and avoid" just like a human pilot, then no special airspace will be necessary. *That is the standard we should insist on. *Until then, we should hold their feet to the fire. *Video "see & avoid" *technology is coming, and may someday be cheap enough to go in any well-equipped airplane. *.. Vaughn Agreed. The only trouble is that your key word - "cheaply" - will be the driving factor in the struggle between drone operators and GA. The operators will claim that "see & avoid" capability will be cost prohibitive to implement. Since a plurality, if not a majority of drone operators in the near term will have government functions (police, aerial surveys, etc.), it's a fair bet that GA will have to bite the bullet with mandated transponders. Uncontrolled airspace will soon be a thing of the past. |
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Drones To Be Certificated For GA?
In rec.aviation.piloting hierophant wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:59:01 -0400, vaughn wrote: "hierophant" wrote in message ... My concern is that this certification will lead to the temporarypermanent closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact of smaller airfields. Agree. The drone folks would love to simplify and cheapen things for themselves by 1) grabbing airspace and 2) by forcing the owners of all other planes to install transponder equipment so that drones can cheaply "see" them. When a drone is able to "see and avoid" just like a human pilot, then no special airspace will be necessary. That is the standard we should insist on. Until then, we should hold their feet to the fire. Video "see & avoid" technology is coming, and may someday be cheap enough to go in any well-equipped airplane. .. Vaughn I had not thought about the see-avoid issue; this might give drones freer realm in general airspace. Which is better? See-avoid drones competing for any of our airspace or limited airspace for blind drones? A pickle. Not really. Drones have very limited utility in the US as a whole so I highly doubt there will ever be many of them flying in general airspace other than near the borders. For testing and such the military already has restricted areas and MOAs suitable for that. And if a drone could ever see and avoid as well as the average 172 pilot, there wouldn't be any realistic reason they couldn't fly with everything else. However, that is a big "if". In the meantime, I wouldn't find a "mode C veil" along the boarder objectionable. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Drones To Be Certificated For GA?
On Apr 19, 2:07*pm, hierophant wrote:
Appears so http://www.gatheringspot.net/news-article/general-discussion/lobbying... The article originally had a picture of a non-drone SR-71 Blackbird which was removed. ??? My concern is that this certification will lead to the temporarypermanent closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact of smaller airfields. -- Live To Spend It Not really, the only market that is remotely viable for drones would be transoceanic flights. Domestically things are too crowded unless they flew well over 50,000...and that's only practical if you fly coast2coast. I wouldn't worry much. Then again considering what a anti-anyone but the government and big business organization the faa is, I don't discount your concern. |
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Drones To Be Certificated For GA?
On Apr 19, 6:50*pm, Schiffner wrote:
Not really, the only market that is remotely viable for drones would be transoceanic flights. Domestically things are too crowded unless they flew well over 50,000...and that's only practical if you fly coast2coast. I wouldn't be so sure about that: FAA Pressed to Allow Drone Flights in U.S (CBS/AP) Unmanned aircraft have proved their usefulness and reliability in the war zones of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now the pressure's on to allow them in the skies over the United States. The Federal Aviation Administration has been asked to issue flying rights for a range of pilotless planes to carry out civilian and law- enforcement functions but has been hesitant to act. Officials are worried that they might plow into airliners, cargo planes and corporate jets that zoom around at high altitudes, or helicopters and hot air balloons that fly as low as a few hundred feet off the ground. On top of that, these pilotless aircraft come in a variety of sizes. Some are as big as a small airliner, others the size of a backpack. The tiniest are small enough to fly through a house window. The obvious risks have not deterred the civilian demand for pilotless planes. Tornado researchers want to send them into storms to gather data. Energy companies want to use them to monitor pipelines. State police hope to send them up to capture images of speeding cars' license plates. Local police envision using them to track fleeing suspects. Like many robots, the planes have advantages over humans for jobs that are dirty, dangerous or dull. And the planes often cost less than piloted aircraft and can stay aloft far longer. "There is a tremendous pressure and need to fly unmanned aircraft in (civilian) airspace," Hank Krakowski, FAA's head of air traffic operations, told European aviation officials recently. "We are having constant conversations and discussions, particularly with the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security, to figure out how we can do this safely with all these different sizes of vehicles." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6579920.shtml |
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