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OK, I found it in my email archives:
============ =========== ========== DIX HILLS Safe landing after scare BY COLLIN NASH STAFF WRITER March 2, 2004 Just minutes away from touching down at Rutland airport in Vermont on Sunday, the four Long Island men aboard the single-engine aircraft talked excitedly about skiingdown the sun-bathed slopes of Okemo or Killington. Suddenly an eerie quiet took the place of the drone from the six-passenger Beechcraft Bonanza. The engine was dead. Gliding more than 7,500 feet above the valleys and foothills of the Green Mountains and losing altitude at about 700 feet a minute, the pilot, Dr. Jeffrey Epstein, a neurosurgeon, drew on training from his high-pressure profession. "I wasn't panicked," he said yesterday, recalling how he calmly radioed Albany airport for the nearest site to land the plane. "I was more concerned about making it over the mountains and finding a flat place to land." Epstein, of Dix Hills, and his three passengers, Dr. Brad Litwak, an anesthesiologist also of Dix Hills; Ed Garger, an insurance manager from Glen Cove, and Bob McBride of Northport, made it safely over the mountains. And Epstein, skirting under overhead electrical wires and a 16-foot overpass, found his flat surface to put the plane down - the northbound lane of U.S. Route 7 in Sunderland. The plane, which Epstein said underwent its annual maintenance check just more than a week ago, blew out its tires and sustained wing damage. No one, including Epstein, 52, a father of three, and his passengers, was injured, authorities said. Garger, 52, had agreed on the spur of the moment to join the three others on the ski trip when his friend McBride invited him during dinner Saturday. It was his maiden voyage in a single-engine aircraft, Garger said. The takeoff about 8:15 from Farmingdale "was perfect," he said. Epstein was very thorough about staying in radio contact with air traffic controllers throughout the flight, he said. "We were all calm" when the engine died, he said. "I said to myself, 'This is not the day I'm gonna die.'" His fate didn't cross his mind, Epstein said. Vermont State Police said the Federal Aviation Administration is investigating the incident. Copyright C 2004, Newsday, Inc. |
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"Richard Kaplan" wrote
Well as both a doctor and a CFII I will agree with that... there are good and bad doctor pilots an the same is true of most other professions. Hmmmm...and all of this time, I thought that you were a physician, properly addressed as Doctor Kaplan. :-) That's OK though, my AME, good friend, and next door neighbor thinks that he is a "doctor" also. We get together every two years and swap a Flight Review for a Third Class Medical Examination. The third member of our group is also properly addressed as Doctor Caldwell, but he is really just an Electrical Engineer with a PhD. As for me, I'm not really a CFII, just a Flight Instructor with an Instrument Airplane rating on my certificate. Bob Moore |
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"Rolf Blom" wrote in message news On 2004-06-03 14:21, Richard Kaplan wrote: "Rolf Blom" wrote in message ... I wonder if a parachute will do much good if you are stalled/spinning; I'm thinking it would only twist itself up, and never deploy fully. Spin chutes are a routine part of flight testing of airplanes in case the airplane is found to have unrecoverable spin characteristics. -------------------- Richard Kaplan, CFII www.flyimc.com I stand corrected. I was thinking of those large parachutes that can carry the whole plane. Actually, the Cirrus parachute was desiged specifically for deployment during a spin. In the Cirrus POH, it states that the only approved way to recover a Cirrus from a spin is to deploy the parachute. |
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Rolf: I once opened my parachute in free fall while I was spinning so fast
the ground was a blur. The chute opened with the lines twisted together all the way to the lower lateral band of the canopy. I almost got sick unwinding, then overshooting, then unwinding again but the chute did open as much as it could with the lines wound up and it did unwind coming down. Stu Fields "Rolf Blom" wrote in message ... On 2004-06-03 00:59, Darkwing Duck (The Duck, The Myth, The Legend) wrote: -snip- Lancairs are cool planes, it's too bad this happened. I'm sure your right on the insurance deal. Not that it matters but I'm surprised Lancair didn't certify the new 350 and 400 with the parachute like Cirrus just for insurance purposes. -snip- I wonder if a parachute will do much good if you are stalled/spinning; I'm thinking it would only twist itself up, and never deploy fully. /Rolf |
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"Bill Denton" wrote in message ... Take a Bonanza. Put a pilot in it, a pilot who one hour previously was sewing somebody's heart closed... First of all, few doctors do work that is as dramatic as you say... probably similar to the percentage of pilots who regularly do inverted flat spins. Second of all, self-confidence is a TERRIFIC pilot attribute. The problem only comes in when that self-confidence is not equally tempered with an understanding of one's limitations. As for doctors, the concept of risk vs. benefit is very well understood. The sports analogy does not hold. -------------------- Richard Kaplan, CFII www.flyimc.com |
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Not to worry, the stall in the new 400 is supposed to be trainer like.
Can't wait to fly one of those babies. Better than a parachute is a good stall behavior if you ask me. Besides that parachute is costing Cirrus more in insurance if you ask me. "Darkwing Duck (The Duck, The Myth, The Legend)" wrote in message ... "Badwater Bill" wrote in message .. . Nah, there would have been a mayday call or something if they had just ran out of gas. The one article has a witness statement that I think could be telling: "The plane appeared to be flying normally, flat, and then went up like it was trying to go higher, went into a spiral and crashed into the ground." Sounds to me like the pilot or passenger could have accidentally hit the control stick, pitched the plane up suddenly and set her into a spin. (assuming the witness is reliable). Yeah. Looks like a stall-spin scenario alright. I wonder why they got it into a stall in the first place? This is really sad because the ****ing insurance companies are going to stop insuring the Lancairs because of the high accident rates. I'll bet you most of them throw in the towel soon. Insurance runs $12,000 a year now on the Legacy. The Lancair's have that high aspect ratio wing with high wing loading. The Legacy is up at about 23 pounds/sq ft, and when it stalls, it bites hard. Most of the rich guys who buy them are doctors, not test pilots. And, it's those weekend types that get killed when the thing departs from it's normal flight characteristics. I was talking to a Legacy owner yesterday and he told me he never stalled his, NEVER. He just didn't want to pursue the flight characteristics in a stall. So, he just flies it fast all the time. I guess that's one way of doing it. But, I'd rather be proficient at recovery from a stall than never try it. That's just the way I feel about it. I'd stall and spin the **** out of it if I had one. With the new EFIS panels, you're not going to tumble a $3000 gyro anymore. I'd spin it until I got proficient at the recovery or proficient at avoiding a spin if it stalled. If you don't do that, your envelope is pretty narrow. BWB Lancairs are cool planes, it's too bad this happened. I'm sure your right on the insurance deal. Not that it matters but I'm surprised Lancair didn't certify the new 350 and 400 with the parachute like Cirrus just for insurance purposes. As far as the fuel exhaustion deal, the articles did mention that witnesses said the engine wasn't running at times and lack of fire in the photos so it seems. |
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I did that too, from 1200 feet. My lines were so twisted, I could not raise
my head to check my canopy. I kicked and pedaled like the Tour de France! Then I learned to tuck better when departing the plane "Kathryn & Stuart Fields" wrote in message ... Rolf: I once opened my parachute in free fall while I was spinning so fast the ground was a blur. The chute opened with the lines twisted together all the way to the lower lateral band of the canopy. I almost got sick unwinding, then overshooting, then unwinding again but the chute did open as much as it could with the lines wound up and it did unwind coming down. Stu Fields "Rolf Blom" wrote in message ... On 2004-06-03 00:59, Darkwing Duck (The Duck, The Myth, The Legend) wrote: -snip- Lancairs are cool planes, it's too bad this happened. I'm sure your right on the insurance deal. Not that it matters but I'm surprised Lancair didn't certify the new 350 and 400 with the parachute like Cirrus just for insurance purposes. -snip- I wonder if a parachute will do much good if you are stalled/spinning; I'm thinking it would only twist itself up, and never deploy fully. /Rolf |
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"s3" wrote in message
... There are a large number of homebuilts out there with appalling handling characteristics in terms of stability, control, and stall characteristics. Chris, thanks for the informative post. Can you name the worst offenders, by aircraft type. I for one would consider that very valuable info. |
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message . 158... I don't think military jets to homebuilts is a fair comparison. How many military jets do you know that fly at 200 mph at 8 gph? Constraints aside, his point is still valid. Changes need to be made to some designs, to make better control harmony, or stall characteristics, or whatever, but are not made. Why not? Too much money, more time, or lack of expertise in knowing what to change. In most cases, it would have little to no difference in "speed per gallon." -- Jim in NC --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.692 / Virus Database: 453 - Release Date: 5/29/2004 |
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"goombah" wrote in message ... "s3" wrote in message ... There are a large number of homebuilts out there with appalling handling characteristics in terms of stability, control, and stall characteristics. Chris, thanks for the informative post. Can you name the worst offenders, by aircraft type. I for one would consider that very valuable info. Prescott Pusher. |
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