Why did Bush join the national guard?

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: Mike Dargan
Date: 9/5/2004 12:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: rQJ_c.36777$3l3.28824@attbi_s03

ArtKramr wrote:

Why did Bush join the National Guard instrae do the Army, Navy or Air
Force?
why?

At that time, TANG was a safe place to baby sit the children of
privilege who were burdened by poor scores on military aptitude tests.
I don't fault Bush's parents for buying their kid's way into the
champaign squadron. It's important that the best and the brightest
conserve their genes for future generations.

Can you imagine the disaster if the shrub had been given hazardous duty
which caused him to be disabled or killed before having the chance to
breed and produce equally brilliant offspring? Where would we be
without Jenna and Barbara?

Cheers

--mike




I think about Bush and am glad he was never around to fight with the 344th
although he would have gotten out of combat missions by hook or by crook.
especially crook. The resrves was the standard hiding place for the neocon
rich, and poweful.


At first I thought that you just disliked Bush. Then I thought you were a
little obsessive and had too much time on your hands. Now I see that you
are, unfortunately, totally insane.

Are you forgetting that the elder Bush actually fought in WWII as a pilot
and was actually shot down in combat? He was rich and powerful, but chose to
serve in the best way he could, just like George W. And I also wasn't aware
that the 'neocon' bogeymen were around back in WWII also. Which kind of
leads me to believe that you have no idea what a 'neocon' even is. Which
also leads me to believe that you are probably talking out your ass 99% of
the time anyway.

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
Date: 9/5/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "George Z. Bush" am
Date: 9/5/2004 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that
happens
is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

George Z.


That's just the 8th. Then add the 9th and the 15th and all the air forces
in
the Pacific and you have a total that makes air duty the most hazardous in
the
history of of warfare. Wanna live? Join anything but the Air Forces.. Or
fly
B-52's over Iraq. Or do what Bush did. which was nothing.


You mean, 'which was fly a dangerous, difficult, occasionally explosive,
1950's vintage supersonic interceptor for 3 years.'


Piece of cake compared ot a B-26 Marauder. Check rhe records. And what did you
fly?




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
Date: 9/5/2004 1:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: Mike Dargan
Date: 9/5/2004 12:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: rQJ_c.36777$3l3.28824@attbi_s03

ArtKramr wrote:

Why did Bush join the National Guard instrae do the Army, Navy or Air
Force?
why?

At that time, TANG was a safe place to baby sit the children of
privilege who were burdened by poor scores on military aptitude tests.
I don't fault Bush's parents for buying their kid's way into the
champaign squadron. It's important that the best and the brightest
conserve their genes for future generations.

Can you imagine the disaster if the shrub had been given hazardous duty
which caused him to be disabled or killed before having the chance to
breed and produce equally brilliant offspring? Where would we be
without Jenna and Barbara?

Cheers

--mike




I think about Bush and am glad he was never around to fight with the 344th
although he would have gotten out of combat missions by hook or by crook.
especially crook. The resrves was the standard hiding place for the neocon
rich, and poweful.


At first I thought that you just disliked Bush. Then I thought you were a
little obsessive and had too much time on your hands. Now I see that you
are, unfortunately, totally insane.

Are you forgetting that the elder Bush actually fought in WWII as a pilot
and was actually shot down in combat? He was rich and powerful, but chose to
serve in the best way he could, just like George W. And I also wasn't aware
that the 'neocon' bogeymen were around back in WWII also. Which kind of
leads me to believe that you have no idea what a 'neocon' even is. Which
also leads me to believe that you are probably talking out your ass 99% of
the time anyway.



I was talking about the young Bush, our present president asshole.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Bob Coe"
Date: 9/5/2004 12:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: 69K_c.18382$ni.13946@okepread01

"ArtKramr" wrote

That answers my question.

A fart would answer your question.


That's what I said. You answered my question.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Bob Coe"
Date: 9/5/2004 12:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: c8K_c.18381$ni.16882@okepread01

"ArtKramr" wrote

To give the illusion of heroism where none exists.

Sort of like your unbelievable war stories.


Witnessed by every one of my aircrew as well as my commanding officer. And you?
Anything at all?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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snip



I was talking about the young Bush, our present president asshole.

Does the use of such terminology make you at least feel more like a real
man? That would be the fellow who is some ten or eleven points ahead of your
fellow in the current polls, right? The same guy who has the same veterans
benefits you have?

Brooks



Arthur Kramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
Date: 9/5/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "George Z. Bush" am
Date: 9/5/2004 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that
happens
is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained
more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google
the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I
know
because
I've already done it.

George Z.


That's just the 8th. Then add the 9th and the 15th and all the air
forces
in
the Pacific and you have a total that makes air duty the most hazardous
in
the
history of of warfare. Wanna live? Join anything but the Air Forces..
Or
fly
B-52's over Iraq. Or do what Bush did. which was nothing.


You mean, 'which was fly a dangerous, difficult, occasionally explosive,
1950's vintage supersonic interceptor for 3 years.'


Piece of cake compared ot a B-26 Marauder. Check rhe records. And what
did you
fly?


I wasn't even alive until 1977.

And as far as I know, nobody was flying B26's during the Vietnam era. So try
to compare apples to apples. At the time, the F102 was a far more perilous
aircraft than many of the others flying at the time.

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 9/5/2004 1:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that
happens is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

You must have done it wrong. "Half of the U.S. Army Air Forces' casualties
in World War II were suffered by Eighth Air Force (more than 47,000
casualties with more than 26,000 dead)."
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/usaf/8af.htm )

USMC casualties for the war totalled some ninety thousand, out of some 669K
who served in the USMC. Last I heard 90K was more than 47K. True, more 8th
AF personnel *died* in combat than Marines, but that is not what you said.

Your use of "casualty" is normally inclusive of wounded, deaths due to other
than combat causes, and MIA.

Brooks


George Z.




And exactly what is your combat experience wannabee? Marines? Air Corps? A desk
in the states? Anything at all?




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 9/5/2004 12:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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He pulled strings to avoid combat.


What hard wvidence do you have of that?



He is not much of a man.


In your uninformed opinion.



He has the same combat record as you do. ZERO !




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 9/5/2004 12:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"Mike Dargan" wrote in message
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At that time, TANG was a safe place to baby sit the children of privilege
who were burdened by poor scores on military aptitude tests. I don't fault
Bush's parents for buying their kid's way into the champaign squadron.
It's important that the best and the brightest conserve their genes for
future generations.


Champaign is in Illinois, not Texas.


It is used as an adjective. Not a noun.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer