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Legal Weather Sources?
Aside from a call or visit to an FSS, or DUATS, are there any other
"legal" sources from which a pilot is allowed to obtain weather reports? I'm not talking about what's actually *useful* here...hell, sometimes the weather channel is the most useful thing out there...I'm interested in what's *legal*. What weather sources *must* we consult as pilots from an FAA standpoint to prove that we have "become familiar with all available information concerning that flight", as per FAR 91.103? There are a whole slew of web sites offering "aviation weather" products, such as: http://adds.aviationweather.noaa.gov/ http://weather.unisys.com/aviation/ http://www.weathertap.com/ http://www.flightbrief.com/ How many (if any) of these are a "legal" source of pre-flight weather information as stipulated by FAR 91.103, which states: Sec. 91.103 - Preflight action. Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This information must include -- (a) For a flight under IFR or a flight not in the vicinity of an airport, weather reports and forecasts, fuel requirements, alternatives available if ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the planned flight cannot be completed, and any known traffic delays of which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC -- Dane |
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Only the NOAA site, to the best of my knowledge. And that is fairly
recently. When I read NTSB cases I note that the administrative law judges put a lot of faith in government sources and blow off non-government sources. I may be wrong, but I don't think that the other sources you cite have their own data-gathering mechanisms but rather massage what they get from government sources. That is certainly true of the weather channel. Bob Gardner "Dane Spearing" wrote in message ... Aside from a call or visit to an FSS, or DUATS, are there any other "legal" sources from which a pilot is allowed to obtain weather reports? I'm not talking about what's actually *useful* here...hell, sometimes the weather channel is the most useful thing out there...I'm interested in what's *legal*. What weather sources *must* we consult as pilots from an FAA standpoint to prove that we have "become familiar with all available information concerning that flight", as per FAR 91.103? There are a whole slew of web sites offering "aviation weather" products, such as: http://adds.aviationweather.noaa.gov/ http://weather.unisys.com/aviation/ http://www.weathertap.com/ http://www.flightbrief.com/ How many (if any) of these are a "legal" source of pre-flight weather information as stipulated by FAR 91.103, which states: Sec. 91.103 - Preflight action. Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This information must include -- (a) For a flight under IFR or a flight not in the vicinity of an airport, weather reports and forecasts, fuel requirements, alternatives available if ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the planned flight cannot be completed, and any known traffic delays of which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC -- Dane |
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Legal Weather Sources?
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:24:02 -0800, Bob Gardner wrote:
Only the NOAA site, to the best of my knowledge. Bob, See http://home.nc.rr.com/mwaugh/Aviatio...g%20Slides.doc for what appears to be a reasonable list of official weather sources. It's dated 2002, but I couldn't find anything to show NOAA sites as an allowable weather source either? Allen |
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Legal Weather Sources?
Bob Gardner wrote:
Only the NOAA site, to the best of my knowledge. And that is fairly recently. When I read NTSB cases I note that the administrative law judges put a lot of faith in government sources and blow off non-government sources. Seems to me from reading all those NTSB reports and some enforcement cases, for most G/A ops, it is either a FSS or DUAT/DUATS briefing. But, a lot of the corporate guys have a paid weather flight plan/weather service, such as that provided by Jeppesen. They make records of briefing and flight plan activity. Then, most of the airlines have their own systems, which are accepted by the FAA as being "legal." Having said that, there is nothing that says the pilot can't use other sources as supplements to the official briefing. No one cares unless there is an incident or accident. |
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Legal Weather Sources?
A recorded briefing from 1-800-wx brief puts the ball back on the feds
side of the court if there is a legal dispute... The government has lost at least one suit by the pilot's widow over a briefer failing to fully inform the pilot... Recently I wanted only a specific piece of information from the briefer about fog along the lakeshore, but he wasn't having any of that... He insisted on going through wx, SA for the route of flight, forecast, winds aloft, notams, tfr, etc... I suspect their legal department had a warning out over condensed briefings... He ended with the usual VFR flight not recommended so what's new... I countered with "driving home after working a long shift not recommended"... He laughed... denny |
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Legal Weather Sources?
I saw a news release in 2005 (or maybe 2006) announcing that the NWS/NOAA
sites were official. I don't have time today to research it. Bob Gardner "A Lieberman" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:24:02 -0800, Bob Gardner wrote: Only the NOAA site, to the best of my knowledge. Bob, See http://home.nc.rr.com/mwaugh/Aviatio...g%20Slides.doc for what appears to be a reasonable list of official weather sources. It's dated 2002, but I couldn't find anything to show NOAA sites as an allowable weather source either? Allen |
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Legal Weather Sources?
"Denny" wrote in message
ups.com... ... Recently I wanted only a specific piece of information from the briefer about fog along the lakeshore, but he wasn't having any of that... He insisted on going through wx, SA for the route of flight, forecast, winds aloft, notams, tfr, etc... I suspect their legal department had a warning out over condensed briefings... He ended with the usual VFR flight not recommended so what's new... I countered with "driving home after working a long shift not recommended"... He laughed... Denny, did you say the magic word "Abbreviated?" during the request? My experience in NY is that when I say that I want an Abbreviated Briefing, the briefer will take my info and then ask, "OK, what would you like?" Marco Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Dane, would AIM 7-1-11(d) give you the assurance you are looking for?
Bob Gardner "Dane Spearing" wrote in message ... Aside from a call or visit to an FSS, or DUATS, are there any other "legal" sources from which a pilot is allowed to obtain weather reports? I'm not talking about what's actually *useful* here...hell, sometimes the weather channel is the most useful thing out there...I'm interested in what's *legal*. What weather sources *must* we consult as pilots from an FAA standpoint to prove that we have "become familiar with all available information concerning that flight", as per FAR 91.103? There are a whole slew of web sites offering "aviation weather" products, such as: http://adds.aviationweather.noaa.gov/ http://weather.unisys.com/aviation/ http://www.weathertap.com/ http://www.flightbrief.com/ How many (if any) of these are a "legal" source of pre-flight weather information as stipulated by FAR 91.103, which states: Sec. 91.103 - Preflight action. Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This information must include -- (a) For a flight under IFR or a flight not in the vicinity of an airport, weather reports and forecasts, fuel requirements, alternatives available if ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the planned flight cannot be completed, and any known traffic delays of which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC -- Dane |
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Well, I finally found what I was looking for: the FAA approved list of QICP's (Qualified Internet Communications Providers): http://www.faa.gov/ats/ars/qicp/list%20of%20qicp.html This is the list of organizations that are authorized to provide access to aviation weather and Notices to Airmen via the internet, as per FAA Advisory Circular 00-62: http://www.faa.gov/ats/ars/qicp/AC.doc -- Dane In article , Bob Gardner wrote: Dane, would AIM 7-1-11(d) give you the assurance you are looking for? Bob Gardner "Dane Spearing" wrote in message ... Aside from a call or visit to an FSS, or DUATS, are there any other "legal" sources from which a pilot is allowed to obtain weather reports? I'm not talking about what's actually *useful* here...hell, sometimes the weather channel is the most useful thing out there...I'm interested in what's *legal*. What weather sources *must* we consult as pilots from an FAA standpoint to prove that we have "become familiar with all available information concerning that flight", as per FAR 91.103? There are a whole slew of web sites offering "aviation weather" products, such as: http://adds.aviationweather.noaa.gov/ http://weather.unisys.com/aviation/ http://www.weathertap.com/ http://www.flightbrief.com/ How many (if any) of these are a "legal" source of pre-flight weather information as stipulated by FAR 91.103, which states: Sec. 91.103 - Preflight action. Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This information must include -- (a) For a flight under IFR or a flight not in the vicinity of an airport, weather reports and forecasts, fuel requirements, alternatives available if ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the planned flight cannot be completed, and any known traffic delays of which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC -- Dane |
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Legal Weather Sources?
These sources may be "authorised" but is there anything in the FARs
which makes the sourcing of weather data from other providers illegal? No, you can check weather anywhere. If you do not check weather from an authorized source (in addition to whatever else you do) then you would be deemed to not have "checked all available information". Jose -- Nothing takes longer than a shortcut. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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