Implications of.....keeping the speed up

That is the section for a commercial certificate. The instrument rating
requirements are in 61.65. So where is the requirement for "hundreds of
flying hours" to obtain an instrument rating?

And if you check the cancel group you will see that I cancelled the message.
You managed to see it before tht cancel took.

There used to be a 250 hr (I think it was 250 but maybe 200) requirement for
an instrument rating. In later years the FAA has gotten more enlightened
and removed the hour requirement.

In article ,
"Ed Mulroy" wrote:

There used to be a 250 hr (I think it was 250 but maybe 200) requirement for
an instrument rating.

Yeah, it used to be 200 hours (circa 1990).

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Bob Noel
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Correction:
The requirement for an Instrument Rating used to be 125 hours, not 250

http://www.aopa.org/learntofly/getback.html#70s
scroll down to 61.65

There used to be a 250 hr (I think it was 250 but maybe 200) requirement for
an instrument rating. In later years the FAA has gotten more enlightened
and removed the hour requirement.

In 1984, to apply for an instrument rating you needed to have 200 hours
of pilot time, of which 100 was PIC, of which 50 was PIC XC time. I do
see the wisdom of requiring 200 hours of VFR time before getting the
instrument rating, and do not think it was a good idea to drop it. The
reason is that it is important to learn how to keep one's eyes outside
the cockpit before beginning intensive training in keeping them inside
the cockpit, especially as nowadays there are more geegaws inside the
cockpit vying for the pilot's attention.

Jose
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:02:01 -0500, Roger
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:51:03 -0800, Sam Spade
wrote:

Jack Cunniff wrote:

No, it takes hundreds of hours flying an actual plane to get to be an IFR
pilot. Having simulator experience helps a person understand the
environment, but it's not the same as having actually had a scary learning
experience in real life. Guaranteed that THOSE are the lessons you learn
from.

-Jack

Where did you get that idea?

Sounds like the voice of experience to me:-))
Been there and done that.


I thought you were referring to the experience and THOSE lessons, not
the hundreds of hours. Certainly the rating can be earned with less
than 200 hours so hundreds (plural) would be in excess of the
requirements. Most are going to have more than that, but it's not a
minimum requirement.

61.65.d.1,2.
As to required experience you must first obtain the PPL which requires
a minimum of 40 hours combined dual and solo. I believe we've had
three at our airport do it in 40 in recent years (I wasn't one) Then
for the Instrument the minimum is 50 hours cross country as PIC , 40
hours of actual or simulated operation that includes at least 15 hours
dual instruction and 3 hours dual instruction within 60 days of the
PTS.

I don't see as it's possible in less than about 120 hours. HOWEVER I
think it is possible to do in under 100 hours of actual flight time in
a part 142 school. Any one care to do the math figuring the absolute
minimums in which an instrument rating could be earned?

In the real world it's a very rare individual who comes any where near
these figures, but that was not the question.

Approved sim time
61.65.e
30 hours for a part 142 school
or 20 hours if not part 142.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Ed Mulroy wrote:
That is the section for a commercial certificate. The instrument rating
requirements are in 61.65. So where is the requirement for "hundreds of
flying hours" to obtain an instrument rating?


And if you check the cancel group you will see that I cancelled the message.
You managed to see it before tht cancel took.

There used to be a 250 hr (I think it was 250 but maybe 200) requirement for
an instrument rating. In later years the FAA has gotten more enlightened
and removed the hour requirement.

It used to be 200 hours or a commercial certificate. I believe it was
reduced to a 150 hours if the training was done at an approved school.

Jose wrote:

There used to be a 250 hr (I think it was 250 but maybe 200)
requirement for an instrument rating. In later years the FAA has
gotten more enlightened and removed the hour requirement.


In 1984, to apply for an instrument rating you needed to have 200 hours
of pilot time, of which 100 was PIC, of which 50 was PIC XC time. I do
see the wisdom of requiring 200 hours of VFR time before getting the
instrument rating, and do not think it was a good idea to drop it. The
reason is that it is important to learn how to keep one's eyes outside
the cockpit before beginning intensive training in keeping them inside
the cockpit, especially as nowadays there are more geegaws inside the
cockpit vying for the pilot's attention.

Jose
It's all about a "license to learn."

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Spade ]
Posted At: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:57 AM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: Implications of.....keeping the speed up
Subject: Implications of.....keeping the speed up

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It used to be 200 hours or a commercial certificate. I believe it was
reduced to a 150 hours if the training was done at an approved school.

It was reduced to 160 if you were in a Part 141 school. And that did not
have to be all VFR; you could get credit for your instrument training
time also.

Roger wrote:


In the real world it's a very rare individual who comes any where near
these figures, but that was not the question.


When I was a lad, I spent my last year as an elisted guy in the USAF. I
had unlimited access to an F-100 flight simulator and a Link C-11
(similar to a T-33 with VOR, ME, RMI, ILS, ADF). I also finished my
private pilot ticket midway during that year.

At the end of the year I started instrument training in a Piper
Tri-Pacer. It was like shooting ducks in barrel, age 20 and all that
fast simulator time.

I was not anyone special. I am sure there are young enlisted boys and
girls who have simulator access like I did and who are training at an
Air Force aero club. They all probably ace the IR in no time at all.