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2005 Junior Worlds Accident
At 16:24 13 February 2007, John Bojack wrote:
I'm all for low-passes. That said, I think getting so low as to make hitting ground based 'obstructions' a possibility with a wing bank is a whooole 'nother thing. Exponentially increased danger factor! Spectating around racing events is always a risk...whether the crowd realizes it, or not. Consider all the reality TV shows you've seen footage of with various cars, go carts...etc and their associated parts going flying into the stand and over 'safety-barriers' into the crowd. Over-exuberant and testosteronized youth + highly perched photographer = one unfortunate accident occurence in our racing sport. Do we need to mandate mile-high finishes and safety bunkers for spectators? Life's a risk. Especially so for both the stupid and the reckless. The problem is that neither recognize their status. |
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On Feb 13, 10:24 am, Nyal Williams Especially so for both the stupid
and the reckless. The problem is that neither recognize their status. I can't help wondering how much the known presence of the photographer influenced the behavior of the pilots. Is it normal at UK contests to finish as described in the accident report or are approaches more conservative without the known photo op. Perhaps a UK competition pilot could answer that please. Andy |
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There's been so much written about how "unsafe" low, high speed finishes
are. A shame, as this "is" truly the most spectator worthy part of a contest .. . . guess I should say "was", at least in the USA. It's hard to argue against the "S" word, and in our culture, the "L" (liability) word too. Many who read ras are smart enough to not even bother. Those who think everyone else should behave in the manner they deem appropriate know that well. As others have posted, much of life is about risk. Stay home and do nothing, have a heart attack. NO! Get out there and be active, try to mitigate those risks you can, accept those you can't, and get on with the activities you enjoy. I want to enjoy my grandkids, but I'm not going to stop riding motorcycles or flying. I enjoy watching gliders flying fast and close. Those are some nice pictures, Asbjorn, and show that other countries still know how to finish a soaring contest properly (grin). There's nothing quite so elegant, beautiful, and with such an awesome sound, as a glider that passes close. Er, well, I guess I can think of one thing. bumper ASH26E Minden, NV "Dare to be different . . . circle in sink" "Asbjorn Hojmark" wrote in message t... On 13 Feb 2007 11:26:34 -0800, "Andy" wrote: Is it normal at UK contests to finish as described in the accident report or are approaches more conservative without the known photo op. ... Pribina Cup (Slovakia): http://tinyurl.com/ysftt2 http://tinyurl.com/ynrnp5 http://tinyurl.com/2cywst http://tinyurl.com/ywmgzf http://tinyurl.com/23772j http://tinyurl.com/2cv5ou http://tinyurl.com/2xzmeg http://tinyurl.com/yuxvuc http://tinyurl.com/yvbo7u ... or the European Gliding Championships (Finland) http://tinyurl.com/2hjqua http://tinyurl.com/yns5ql http://tinyurl.com/yqgneo http://tinyurl.com/yvc69d http://tinyurl.com/28warp http://tinyurl.com/29sgnq http://tinyurl.com/2f5zww http://tinyurl.com/24zeek http://tinyurl.com/ynohep ... or the World Gliding Championship (Sweden) http://tinyurl.com/26vp8w http://tinyurl.com/youoaf http://tinyurl.com/2d5xe6 http://tinyurl.com/22hssr http://tinyurl.com/2gmnva http://tinyurl.com/2euc68 http://tinyurl.com/2cyhrd http://tinyurl.com/ypjkfo http://tinyurl.com/yt4aws -A -- Hvis du bruger et anti-spam program, der spammer os andre i hvert eneste indlęg, ser jeg ikke dine indlęg. Jeg filtrerer dem bort. |
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On 14 Feb., 00:06, Asbjorn Hojmark wrote:
On 13 Feb 2007 11:26:34 -0800, "Andy" wrote: Is it normal at UK contests to finish as described in the accident report or are approaches more conservative without the known photo op. ... Pribina Cup (Slovakia): http://tinyurl.com/ysftt2http://tiny...url.com/yvbo7u ... or the European Gliding Championships (Finland) http://tinyurl.com/2hjquahttp://tiny...url.com/ynohep ... or the World Gliding Championship (Sweden) http://tinyurl.com/26vp8whttp://tiny...url.com/yt4aws And you can add the European Championships 2004 in Slovakia: http://www.nitra2005.sk/photos.php?g...gs_by_Elfo&P=1 and http://www.nitra2005.sk/photos.php? gal=day11_2005-07-20_by_Puppy_landings Two of the pictures where used in the accident report. I'm pretty sure, actually, that the guy in the blue T-Shirt is Neil. In some pictures you can see power lines in the background. They are about 7-800m from the finishline and it was expressely forbidden to go lower and then pulling up over them. So everybody cleared them and then dived for the wheat. Great fun, I can tell you! Regards Marcel |
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All the pictures from the WGC in Sweden shows gliders either
inside the airfield perimeter (after crossing the finish line for a straight in landing) or on final approach after a speed finish. Piltos flying below 50 metres at the finish line were penalized. If you were so low out side the airfield you will hit the trees that are visible in the photos. Low finishes was a topic taken seriously by both the comp management and our stewards. Robert Danewid Championships Director WGC2006 Asbjorn Hojmark skrev: On 13 Feb 2007 11:26:34 -0800, "Andy" wrote: Is it normal at UK contests to finish as described in the accident report or are approaches more conservative without the known photo op. ... Pribina Cup (Slovakia): http://tinyurl.com/ysftt2 http://tinyurl.com/ynrnp5 http://tinyurl.com/2cywst http://tinyurl.com/ywmgzf http://tinyurl.com/23772j http://tinyurl.com/2cv5ou http://tinyurl.com/2xzmeg http://tinyurl.com/yuxvuc http://tinyurl.com/yvbo7u ... or the European Gliding Championships (Finland) http://tinyurl.com/2hjqua http://tinyurl.com/yns5ql http://tinyurl.com/yqgneo http://tinyurl.com/yvc69d http://tinyurl.com/28warp http://tinyurl.com/29sgnq http://tinyurl.com/2f5zww http://tinyurl.com/24zeek http://tinyurl.com/ynohep ... or the World Gliding Championship (Sweden) http://tinyurl.com/26vp8w http://tinyurl.com/youoaf http://tinyurl.com/2d5xe6 http://tinyurl.com/22hssr http://tinyurl.com/2gmnva http://tinyurl.com/2euc68 http://tinyurl.com/2cyhrd http://tinyurl.com/ypjkfo http://tinyurl.com/yt4aws -A |
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Okay, I will bite again.
Let's say this person who was killed outside the boundary of the airport was hit by a 747 landing...we see plenty of images from some airport in the Carribean where just this situation occurs, aircraft very low over public roadway on final. So the idea expressed by Nick is....someone standing under the flight path of an aircraft is responsible for their death...including those areas outside of an airport? Sure this guy was there to take pictures, but it was a public road for Christ's sake. Public roads are not the domains of gliders doing competion finishes, at least not in the US. |
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Why do you think it is a public road? I think it is an access road to farm
buildings, and owned by the farmer. Does this make any difference? I think not, which is why the AAIB do not comment on the status of the road. W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). Remove "ic" to reply. wrote in message oups.com... Okay, I will bite again. Let's say this person who was killed outside the boundary of the airport was hit by a 747 landing...we see plenty of images from some airport in the Caribbean where just this situation occurs, aircraft very low over public roadway on final. So the idea expressed by Nick is....someone standing under the flight path of an aircraft is responsible for their death...including those areas outside of an airport? Sure this guy was there to take pictures, but it was a public road for Christ's sake. Public roads are not the domains of gliders doing competition finishes, at least not in the US. |
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So if I understand correctly...if the individual killed on the ground
had been "Joe Public" minding his own business...this would still be an acceptable consequence? Or is the fact that the photographer had knowledge of the flight path make him at fault? And the analogy to landing out is something of a bit of a stretch. What if the individual killed had been a child who was perched on the van to get a better view? And sorry Bumper, in regards to the spectator appeal of low passes...I think they are entirely appropriate to air-shows....and entirely inappropriate to glider competions. And now we get the comparisons to auto race accidents and the such. Rubbish. We as pilots decide what risks to accept, and what risks should be regulated. Why not ridge soar at 5' above the ground over a crowded hiking trail? |
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