Ever Seen a "Lifter" fly?

Jay Honeck wrote:

.... which you can enjoy between sips of your favorite adult beverage!

Really? I thought all you stocked was beer?

George Patterson
The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The
pessimist is afraid that he's correct.
James Branch Cavel

Really? I thought all you stocked was beer?

Well, I was assuming we were all manly low-wing types here.

If you want to sip something OTHER than beer, George, I have no
objections...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Popular Mechanics or one of those mags had an article on a similar
machine back in the 1960s. It flew, too, but couldn't lift anything
more than itself, not even the power supply. I think the enormous
voltage required to make it work harder would just end up making a big
light show.

Dan

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:36:59 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in Message-Id:
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If you don't wish to go to the bother, danger and expense of building one, ...


You can see it fly here (video):
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/lifters/videos/3stlft10g.rm

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm

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It's only an "advertisement" if I'm selling something, Larry.

The beer -- and the lifter demo -- is free to all who attend!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Okay, so why is this appearing three times on my newsreader?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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It's only an "advertisement" if I'm selling something, Larry.

The beer -- and the lifter demo -- is free to all who attend!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Okay, so why is this appearing three times on my newsreader?
--
Jay Honeck

It's showing up in my news client also (Outlook Express 6)

--
Randy

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It's only an "advertisement" if I'm selling something, Larry.

The beer -- and the lifter demo -- is free to all who attend!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

This explains how these lifters fly:

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld-Brown_effect

No antigrav here, sorry to say.

-- dave jacobowitz
-- jacobowitz73 -at- yahoo.com
-- PP-ASEL and EE

On 16 Jul 2003 13:38:07 -0700, (Dave
Jacobowitz) wrote in Message-Id:
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This explains how these lifters fly:

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld-Brown_effect

No antigrav here, sorry to say.


The link you posted above regarding ionic wind fails to account for
the effect observed in a vacuum:

http://jlnlabs.imars.com/lifters/liftvacuum/index.htm
vacuum: according to this analysis there is no resultant force
upon the lifter in perfect vacuum resulting from the asymmetrical
electric forces, or it is negligible compared to the value in the
mN range measured in high vacuum of 1.333e-3 Pa by William B.
Stein at Purdue University.

(Mr. Stein has measured at least 0.31 mN with 0.12 m long
lifter at 17 kV. According to T. Townsend Brown’s letter from
February 14, 1973 the thrust in vacuum is linear with the
voltage. Since we have used 2.3 times higher voltage and 5
times longer lifter, we would expect a force of at least
2.3*5*0.31 mN = 3.65 mN. Even the higher value of F2 in the
second column is an order of magnitude smaller than what is
expected, based on measurements and it can not explain the
measured phenomena.)

Mr. Stein has proved in his paper “Electrokinetic Propulsion: The
Ionic Wind Argument” that the ionic wind effect can not explain
the phenomena in high vacuum. Since neither the electric forces of
the asymmetrical E-field can provide a magnitude of force that
could explain the measured thrust in vacuum, this analysis
confirms the theory that at high E-field intensities in vacuum an
unknown electro-gravity force is responsible for the measured
thrust.

In the presence of air: most of the thrust is provided by the
electric forces between the dense space charge around the corona
wire (causing a virtual increase of the wire diameter) and the
cylindrical edge of the plate facing the wire. This causes the ion
drift process described by Evgenij Barsoukov. Although the basic
principles in his theory are correct, the quantitative analysis
was based on unrealistic assumptions and the derived formula is
not valid (it is not in conformity with the measurement results).
Even if we could find a good approximate formula for this thrust
based on ion drift process, it still assumes the validity of
Newton’s 3rd law; that means this force would be ineffective if
the lifter would be fixed within a completely sealed box.

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Here's another interesting device that should interest an EE:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm

In contrast to the common Hertzian transverse vector waves, scalar
waves travel, or rather materialize at the receiving end, at
superluminal velocities. Scalar waves also quite effectively
penetrate trough objects, such as a Faraday Shield, which would
stop an ordinary electromagnetic (Hertzian type) wave.


At least the EE who showed it to me was convinced that it was a viable
starting point for an underwater communications device. He should
know, that's his business.



Disclaimer:

I have no affiliation with any of this stuff or the web sites.
It all looks like crackpot "science" to me, but I'm no expert.