Cirrus Killer? Cessna just doesn't get it...

ET wrote:

"Dave Stadt" wrote in
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People don't spend $350K based on
"perception." Most people I know do not believe in your "perception."
To sum it up you are simply wrong on all accounts. If you have stock
in Cirrus now would be a good time to sell.



Actually, people DO buy many things based on perception, including $350
+K aircraft.

How many threads on this newsgroup have talked about "Cirrus pilots have
"the wrong stuff""..

How many people buy a $25-$30k Harley for the "cool" factor, even though
a $9K Kawasaki may be every bit as good a bike???


How many of your wives out there would have (again, right or wrong)
climbed into the cockpit with you sooner if the plane had a BRS
installed??

Call it Perception... call it Emotion.. That's what drives sales. Not
talking about a better plane... it's "marketing"

Yes, many people do, but pilots aren't normal people. :-)

Pilots are generally thinking people by nature and I suspect much less
likely to buy based on emotion or perception.


Matt

ET wrote:
Reading Avwebs latest addition (avweb.com) I'm reading all about how
Cessna is developing (very hush hush) their "cirrus killer", new high
performance 4 place single. They are being very hush hush about the
whole thing, except for one point; the new design will be a high
wing....

Without debating the idea of high wing vs low wing as far as flying
advantages, the "perception" (right or wrong)of the high wing is a lower
& slower plane . When have you seen a jet fighter with a high wing??


The perception is entirely yours. Most jet fighters have high wings --
more room to carry ordnance. High wing aircraft are easier to preflight
and get in and out of.

The general public does not buy airplanes. Pilots buy airplanes. If
what you want is another $350,000 ornament to show off, go get yourself
a sports car. Hardly anyone comes out to the airport to admire your
airplane.

"Greg Copeland" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:41:11 +0000, Dave Stadt wrote:

nothing to do with performance. People don't spend $350K based on
"perception." Most people I know do not believe in your "perception."
To

If people didn't care about "perception", companies like Harley would have
been out of business two decades ago. Heck, I've known people that have
bought items like Porche, Ferrari, and Lamborghini just because of
"perception."

Harley, Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini owners combined are an
insignificant percentage of total motorcycle and car owners. Harley has
been almost out of business numerous times during it's history.

In fact, I would hazzard a guess that the vast majority of people do buy
things based solely on perception. Heck, it plays a MAJOR role in car
buying for the masses. Believe it or not, car purchases in the US is
considered an impulse buy. That tells me that they are buying strictly
based on perception rather than product knowledge.

Those that buy based on perception deserve what they get. I know far more
people that buy based on mission than perception.

Greg

Dave Stadt wrote:

Those that buy based on perception deserve what they get. I know far more
people that buy based on mission than perception.

then how do you explain SUVs?

--Sylvain

"john smith" wrote in message
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The BRS is a wife pleaser, no doubt about it.

My wife doesn't even know what a BRS is.
She still says, "Let's fly to ??? for the weekend."

If my plane had a BRS my wife would question my piloting abilities being so
bad I need something akin to training wheels. She would probably not go
with as she does now often falling to sleep minutes into the flight.

Many pilots wives are much less nervous about flying with a BRS
installed.

That was a very significant factor for me buying a Cirrus.

KR

Matt Whiting wrote in news:wcn%e.1166$lb.94797
@news1.epix.net:

Oh, just the last time that I looked at an F-14, F-15, F-111 or F-18.
Ok, the -18 is maybe a little closer to a mid-wing like the F-16, but I
believe the wing is still above the CG of the airplane and that is what
defines a high wing to me.


OK, change "high wing" to "wing over your head" and my point is still
valid.... I believe all of the above have the wing out of the pilots
vision....


--
-- ET :-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

"Sylvain" wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:

Those that buy based on perception deserve what they get. I know far
more
people that buy based on mission than perception.

then how do you explain SUVs?

--Sylvain

I don't even try but if I had to guess I would say small penis.

Ken Reed wrote in news:mfo%e.5268$zQ3.1253
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Many pilots wives are much less nervous about flying with a BRS
installed.

That was a very significant factor for me buying a Cirrus.

KR

Thanks for the admission, I know 3 other pilot personally who feel the
same... (and wrote the check to prove it) "WE" know that the "REAL"
need for the BRS is a very small percentage of accidents, but our non-
pilot friends/loved ones have a whole different perception....

"but honey, what if something goes wrong??? Well sweety, we just pull
this here handle and all is well"

"WE" all know we go through the checklist, Look for a good place to do a
deadstick landing etc... and the "REAL" need for the BRS is a VERY VERY
small percentage, but THEY know if all else fails, there is an
alternative... (and quite frankly, if WE are honest with ourselves,
doesn't is make us feel a "little" bit better???) If the plane is
designed for it, that 30ish pounds will not make a dif in usefull load
eh?

I dunno, I guess I don't need a " "rs until I NEED a " "rs.....

--
-- ET :-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

"ET" wrote in message
...
Ken Reed wrote in news:mfo%e.5268$zQ3.1253
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Many pilots wives are much less nervous about flying with a BRS
installed.

That was a very significant factor for me buying a Cirrus.

KR

Thanks for the admission, I know 3 other pilot personally who feel the
same... (and wrote the check to prove it) "WE" know that the "REAL"
need for the BRS is a very small percentage of accidents, but our non-
pilot friends/loved ones have a whole different perception....

"but honey, what if something goes wrong??? Well sweety, we just pull
this here handle and all is well"

"WE" all know we go through the checklist, Look for a good place to do a
deadstick landing etc... and the "REAL" need for the BRS is a VERY VERY
small percentage, but THEY know if all else fails, there is an
alternative... (and quite frankly, if WE are honest with ourselves,
doesn't is make us feel a "little" bit better???) If the plane is
designed for it, that 30ish pounds will not make a dif in usefull load
eh?

I dunno, I guess I don't need a " "rs until I NEED a " "rs.....

--
-- ET :-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

Unfortunately the Cirrus BRS has a less than stellar performance record.
Although I think it did work for the guy with a sore leg.