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Official word: Runway Incursion vs Surface Incident
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:04:55 -0700 (PDT), BeechSundowner wrote:
On Oct 7, 11:47*am, Mike Ash wrote: I can't imagine that anybody in this thread cares very much what other people think, Only one person cares what others think and it's clear to me it's Gattman. You are right, everybody else probably doesn't give one rats butt but it should be known if he is an instructor, other CFI's should be cringing for the way he has responded and behaved these past two weeks in the newsgroups. Those who can, do; those who can't, teach. In this specific case I reference "can" as being able to separate Usenet from reality. If the CFI shoe fits the CFI delusions, let them wear them. |
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Official word: Runway Incursion vs Surface Incident
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:04:55 -0700 (PDT), BeechSundowner wrote:
Gattman's answer "I'm doing my best not to" act like a ****** is still a poor excuse. Apparently he can't assure that his best isn't enough to prevent him from acting like a ******. You wouldnt' want your childs teacher to act like he did in this thread, a CFI is a teacher, a leader a role model and sorry for being repetitive but what I have quoted time over time from Gattman is simply inexcuseable. That's what raised my dander from day one. Bad enough the information he provided was incorrect, but to not want to provide a source for his information other then word of mouth, you and I know is not enough. Gattman should know this, but instead called it a some sort of penis-measuring contest because I (and others) questioned him was simply wrong, unprofessional and rude. I did nothing to warrant this kind of response. Remember the song "cruel to be kind"? Here some "of the right measure". Today with business falling off considerably (on the overwhelming average), being a CFI, trusting your life to student pilots for a few asspennies a day, is either the dumbest career choice ever or one made out of simple default and necessity. Please, no one give me that "contribution to society" **** either. Flying isn't a social requirement. So to have a named CFI come to an international stage like Usenet and drop his trousers to show his ass for the world to see only does one thing. It assures me that at least this Chris CFI is one dumb MF and/or he is locked into a one pony career burdened by ****4brains as his mental pilot. If the latter what a better way to advance your career than to publicize the size of your stupidity by posting as he has on Usenet. Fre Chris-sakes, there are 5th graders with better business sense. |
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Official word: Runway Incursion vs Surface Incident
Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
[ Elided for brevity. ] Good luck in building a mighty mountain of the proverbial mole hill. |
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Official word: Runway Incursion vs Surface Incident
On Oct 7, 6:30*pm, a wrote:
We are a few plies away from the "Your mother wears combat boots" It's beyond that and you only have Gattman to thank for that. Here it is again in the second line..... I'm not out here to engage in some sort of penis-measuring contest with a couple of usenet know-it-alls, if that's what this is going to turn into. While I may have called him a crap instructor in the other thread, that was based on the above which I feel bears merit. What kind of instructor responds like the above? Do you know any outside Gattman on or offline? I can't say if you have encountered some but I have not in Usenet, aviation forums, or outside cyberspace.. Would you want an instructor teaching you how to fly a plane with a mentality of the above? I don't. and I honestly can't imagine anybody supporting such a response and finding any good out of it. It's been kind of amusing to see some of the "poor Gattman" responses The man brought this on himself, not the other way around. level -- or have we passed it? Would you want to fly with PICs who have to have the last word? Would you want them in your airspace?. Apparently you have one in the name of Gattman. Do CFI's count? To answer your question, IN SOME WAYS, yes, I would want a PIC that has the guts to say the last word ESPECIALLY if it's in the interest of safety. Better to have a PIC make a decision then have a pilot wallowing in the skies due to indecisiveness. Wrong decision, oops, ok, hope nobody bends metal and deal with the paperwork on the ground, but making a decision is "having the last word". Of course CRM is always prudent but somebody has to have the last word if there is a decision to be made. |
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Official word: Runway Incursion vs Surface Incident
On Oct 7, 12:03*pm, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
If this conversation had been carried out in a bar instead of on usenet But it isn't... And that gives people like you the courage to say anything you want without having to worry that somebody might rub your nose in it. You have made his point. You sound like a 13-year-old. Are you sure you're old enough to be posting here? -c |
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Official word: Runway Incursion vs Surface Incident
On Oct 7, 6:40*pm, A Lieberman wrote:
I'm not out here to engage in some sort of penis-measuring contest with a couple of usenet know-it-alls, if that's what this is going to turn into. Would you want an instructor teaching you how to fly a plane with a mentality of the above? *I don't. LOL! Mr. Lieberman, I know you're not saying you would rather have an instructor who wants to engage in a penis-measuring contest, so, why don't you just let it rest? Everybody can snip quotes and warp people's words out of context. Or, maybe you actually like penis-measuring contests. I don't care. Look, I'll make this simple so I don't confuse you: I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO BE MY STUDENT AND YOU COULDN'T PAY TO GET IN AN AIRPLANE WITH YOU. There. You think I'm a mentally-deficient instructor, and I think you're a bloviating jackass who just told everybody that you'd rather fly with people who like penis measuring contests. Contexts abandoned, dispute resolved. -c |
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Official word: Runway Incursion vs Surface Incident
On Oct 6, 8:02*pm, BeechSundowner wrote:
not being defensive on what I typed out. *You just can't take it that somebody questioned you to back up what you say. * Mr "Sundowner", I started a new thread acknowledging that I was wrong, and clarified my comments which, as I've told you several times now, were made to indicate that I felt obligated to do so, even before I actually corrected myself. When somebody challenged me to back up what I said, I did so. Regardless of whether I was erroneous, I went so far as to quote several sources and I even contacted the FAA. And when they corrected me, I shared it with you all here. That is fact. Now, you're simply lying. I don't know what motivates you to do that, or what you think your opinion contributes to anything, but, now you're lying. I cannot respect that and I'm sure you don't care. -c |
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Official word: Runway Incursion vs Surface Incident
On Oct 8, 3:23*pm, C Gattman wrote:
LOL! *Mr. Lieberman, I know you're not saying you would rather have an instructor who wants to engage in a penis-measuring contest, so, why don't you just let it rest? Not my reputation to uphold, so I thought you said good bye? Seems you keep bringing the thread up to the top of the line. Why is that? Everybody can snip quotes and warp people's words out of context. Or, maybe you actually like penis-measuring contests. I don't care. Nothing warped or snipped out of context. I quoted you word for word. Tell me what did I quote out of text. YOU TYPED IT. There. You think I'm a mentally-deficient instructor, I never said this, you said it. My opinion of you is that you are a poor representation as an instructor and all instructors. Never said anything about your mental state. Your responses are amazingly amusing. |
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Official word: Runway Incursion vs Surface Incident
On Oct 8, 3:33*pm, C Gattman wrote:
Now, you're simply lying. I don't know what motivates you to do that, or what you think your opinion contributes to anything, but, now you're lying. I cannot respect that and I'm sure you don't care. Please back up with your words where I am lying with direct links to posts that I am lying. I bet you wont. I bet I can prove my sharp responses to you are warranted and justified with direct links to your postings. Again, thankfully it's all out there. I live with a very clean conscience. Can you justify your penis statement on your FIRST RESPONSE TO A QUESTION I asked.??? This is s a very direct question. PLEASE ANSWER THIS. I bet you won't. I don't instruct, I don't have to uphold a standard that an instructor SHOULD HOLD. But these two threads do show I don't come down to your level of verbiage in my responses to you. What is your excuse for responding like you did to me? I bet you won't even answer this direct question. You haven't thus far, so I won't expect any on this posting. |
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Official word: Runway Incursion vs Surface Incident
On Oct 8, 2:48*pm, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
The same kind that asks whether a post is underage and inquires about his ass. I'd have to agree with you here. Never answers my DIRECT questions. He just diverts the question and adds more red herrings. Now, I am a lier, but I can't figured what I have lied about. LOL I didn't know asking questions was a lie, did you? IN MY OPINION Gattman is not an instructor to be looked up to, that is for sure. |
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