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Should you tell Tower you're departing IFR
or should they just know it already?
I was departing Sugarland (KSGR) yesterday, after having gotten my clearance from ground control. Tower assigned me runway heading (this was about 45 minutes later as there was MUCH traffic waiting in line for takeoffs) and handed me off to departure. I had trouble getting a word in edgewise, but when I eventually did, departure said "change squawk to 0044". Later a different controller (but same freq I believe) asked my if I was VFR???? I told him "Negative, N7NZ is cleared Industry departure then as filed, currently on 270 vector". He said, "roger, cleared direct IDU", and the rest of the flight was uneventful (and unambiguously IFR). This was all in VMC. Later I thought that maybe the tower didn't realize I was IFR when he cleared me for takeoff, and that fouled something up with departure. Or, is there another reason I would have immediately been given a new squawk code like that? I seem to remember that 0xxx squawks are "local" or something like that. Yet I believe I then kept that same 0044 the entire remaining duration of the flight (through Houston Center and then Austin Approach to my destination 44TE). Thanks! John Clonts Temple, Texas N7NZ |
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"John Clonts" wrote in message ups.com... or should they just know it already? I was departing Sugarland (KSGR) yesterday, after having gotten my clearance from ground control. Tower assigned me runway heading (this was about 45 minutes later as there was MUCH traffic waiting in line for takeoffs) and handed me off to departure. I had trouble getting a word in edgewise, but when I eventually did, departure said "change squawk to 0044". Later a different controller (but same freq I believe) asked my if I was VFR???? I told him "Negative, N7NZ is cleared Industry departure then as filed, currently on 270 vector". He said, "roger, cleared direct IDU", and the rest of the flight was uneventful (and unambiguously IFR). This was all in VMC. Later I thought that maybe the tower didn't realize I was IFR when he cleared me for takeoff, and that fouled something up with departure. I tell tower I am waiting for IFR release. But considering the traffic in your area, they probably forgot. Last week, they got my destination wrong and that messed up a few things during handoffs between controllers, but eventually it sorted itself out. |
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I fly out of a pretty busy towered airport. I've been taught to always
inform tower that I'm IFR. I believe that is because the tower has to coordinate with the local center/approach before an IFR flight launches as each controller can only handle a specified number of planes simultaneously. That's probably why you are sometimes requested to "standby for release." |
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I recommend that practice. Can't hurt.
Bob Gardner "John Clonts" wrote in message ups.com... or should they just know it already? I was departing Sugarland (KSGR) yesterday, after having gotten my clearance from ground control. Tower assigned me runway heading (this was about 45 minutes later as there was MUCH traffic waiting in line for takeoffs) and handed me off to departure. I had trouble getting a word in edgewise, but when I eventually did, departure said "change squawk to 0044". Later a different controller (but same freq I believe) asked my if I was VFR???? I told him "Negative, N7NZ is cleared Industry departure then as filed, currently on 270 vector". He said, "roger, cleared direct IDU", and the rest of the flight was uneventful (and unambiguously IFR). This was all in VMC. Later I thought that maybe the tower didn't realize I was IFR when he cleared me for takeoff, and that fouled something up with departure. Or, is there another reason I would have immediately been given a new squawk code like that? I seem to remember that 0xxx squawks are "local" or something like that. Yet I believe I then kept that same 0044 the entire remaining duration of the flight (through Houston Center and then Austin Approach to my destination 44TE). Thanks! John Clonts Temple, Texas N7NZ |
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On 9/23/2005 09:01, John Clonts wrote:
or should they just know it already? I was departing Sugarland (KSGR) yesterday, after having gotten my clearance from ground control. Tower assigned me runway heading (this was about 45 minutes later as there was MUCH traffic waiting in line for takeoffs) and handed me off to departure. I had trouble getting a word in edgewise, but when I eventually did, departure said "change squawk to 0044". Later a different controller (but same freq I believe) asked my if I was VFR???? I told him "Negative, N7NZ is cleared Industry departure then as filed, currently on 270 vector". He said, "roger, cleared direct IDU", and the rest of the flight was uneventful (and unambiguously IFR). This was all in VMC. Later I thought that maybe the tower didn't realize I was IFR when he cleared me for takeoff, and that fouled something up with departure. Or, is there another reason I would have immediately been given a new squawk code like that? I seem to remember that 0xxx squawks are "local" or something like that. Yet I believe I then kept that same 0044 the entire remaining duration of the flight (through Houston Center and then Austin Approach to my destination 44TE). Well, you get your clearance from Ground/Clearance Delivery, but then there may be any number of delays between that time, and when you're ready to take off. You need to let the tower know when you're ready (by telling them that you're holding for IFR release). The tower then begins negotiating for a slot in the 'system' for your flight. Once they have a slot ready, they clear you to take off. I was told this 'holding for release' should never take more than a few minutes, but then I fly out of a not-so-busy tower-controlled airport (Sacramento Executive, KSAC). I was taught never to assume that I would be able to just tell the tower that I was ready to go. This step of finding a slot in the system for me can't begin until I let the tower know that I'm ready. So far, in the dozens of training flights - I've never been given a take-off clearance right away - although most delays are brief. Thanks! John Clonts Temple, Texas N7NZ -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Sacramento, CA |
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John Clonts wrote:
snip Later I thought that maybe the tower didn't realize I was IFR when he cleared me for takeoff, and that fouled something up with departure. snip This is an interesting thread. I'm based at a class C, RDU, Raleigh-Durham, NC, and I've never had that happen, and I've never informed tower that I was IFR. Never heard anyone else do it either. |
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or should they just know it already?
They should know it already. I don't believe in volunteering a lot of unneeded information, because that just craps up the airwaves. |
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Be my guess that departing from the airport where the Approach Control is
located internal operating procedures contain provisions for a "silent release' of departing IFR aircraft. If you are at an airport that is colocated with approach control an individual release is required. Al "Dave Butler" wrote in message news:1127496435.982217@sj-nntpcache-3... John Clonts wrote: snip Later I thought that maybe the tower didn't realize I was IFR when he cleared me for takeoff, and that fouled something up with departure. snip This is an interesting thread. I'm based at a class C, RDU, Raleigh-Durham, NC, and I've never had that happen, and I've never informed tower that I was IFR. Never heard anyone else do it either. |
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I have heard enough "Oh...are you IFR?" out of Boeing Field that I consider
a little crap necessary at times. Bob Gardner "Scott Draper" wrote in message ... or should they just know it already? They should know it already. I don't believe in volunteering a lot of unneeded information, because that just craps up the airwaves. |
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"Scott Draper" wrote in message ... or should they just know it already? They should know it already. I don't believe in volunteering a lot of unneeded information, because that just craps up the airwaves. I don't see a big difference in the time taken from saying "Ready for takeoff" to saying "Holding for IFR release". |
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