Don't point RPGs at US soldiers!

(David Wallace) wrote:

Frame by frame there's one (tracer, pretty large calibre) round from the
front that exits in the middle of his lower back, he falls over, gets a
rifle bullet through the head from the same direction as the first shot
and and finally a tracer round through the chest which comes from the
left side and that knocks him completely down.

I see first a light cloud hidden by his head and upper body that looks like a
hit on the RPG or hands/arms. Then a tracer strikes the ground. The camera
timing misses the "trace" and a light trail gives the impression it exits the
lower back and RPG Man has started to collapse by the next frame. A shot hits
the pavement to the right, then the head shot, then another strike on the
pavement. It looks like all three come from the same direction. The tracer
seems to be from a different direction and there is another pavement strike in
the same frame in a line between the camera and RPG Man's arm. I can't draw a
line to the earlier pavement hits from the incoming tracer. It sure looks like
two shooters. The echoes make the sound unreliable.

-- Charlie Springer

From: "Kevin Brooks"


Up until you mentioned the bipod, you had me thinking M-21. But I don't recall
seeing any bipods being used with M-21's (and I seriously doubt any of the ones
that were at one *distant* time available for M-14's are still around). I guess
it could be an M-21 with a bipod, but I have never seen one so equipped (note
that the M-24 bolt action replacment does have a bipod included in the kit).
OTOH, are you sure you were maybe not gettting a squirrely view of a M-249
(which does indeed have a bipod) with a 30-round magazine in place of the usual
drum mag? I am having a problem getting around the whole sniper-with-M21 thing;
I had a sniper-type attend a school with me way back in 1995-96, and I can
rememeber his telling me they had already replaced the M-21 with the M-24 in
his ARNG light infantry battalion (and it was not an "enhanced brigade" unit,
either, so their priority of fill would have been about the same as the rest of
the Guard units).
Brooks

The pic was on the AP wire feed from Iraq here on AOL. Unfortunately, the
articles and pics expire after a given period of time and disappear from the
feed so I cannot now call the picture back up and rellok at it.

The guy definitely had some variant of the M-14. I have wanted one of these for
a long time and recognize it. It was not a bolt action. It was not an M-249.

I could have incorrectly recalled that his rifle was equiped with a bipod
though. But it certainly was some type of the basic M-14 and had a telescope,
and I seem to recall a bipod.....but I saw the pic probably a month and a half
or so ago, and my memory isn't what it used to be.
Dave

From: "Pete"
Date: 6/20/2004 12:45 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:


"B2431" wrote

And all German interrogators said "ve haff veys."

The monacle! Don't forget the monacle!

Pete

"For you ze vor iz ovah."

Then again Rat Patrol's bad guy was always Lt. Dietrich played by Hans
Gudegast.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

Regnirps wrote:

"It's Me Again" wrote:

For those of you who are wondering what SAW is (I was), it's Squad Automatic
Weapon.

For those who remember "Combat", the SAW man is the modern equivalent of Kirby
and his BAR.

What was the WWII TV show that competed with Combat?

I don't remember another ground combat show at that same time, but it seems like
"12 O'Clock High" was on with Paul Burke as the CO. Also "McHale's Navy... but
I don't think that's the one you mean.

"The Gallant Men".


SMH

In article ,
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:

Regnirps wrote:
"It's Me Again" wrote:

For those of you who are wondering what SAW is (I was), it's Squad
Automatic
Weapon.

For those who remember "Combat", the SAW man is the modern equivalent of
Kirby
and his BAR.

What was the WWII TV show that competed with Combat?

"The Gallant Men"

In article ,
Uebermensch wrote:

Peter Kemp wrote:

So it's exactly the same as Protestant Christianity then in that you
can't tell until you're dead?

That's a good reason to say like Simon de Montfort: kill them all, and if any
of
them is good God will find him.

SoI say we start making a few million of them certain. The detainees in
Gitmo would be a good place to start, they aren't doing much any way.

True - after all why go to the expense of trials or evidence - after
all they must be guilty or they wouldn't be there, despite all those
released as being harmless (although at least one released *was* a bad guy)

That's good reason to kill them all first.
Very low rate of recidivism.

Worked very well against the Nazis, didn't it Slick?

(B2431) wrote in news:20040620163907.11381.00000188@mb-
m23.aol.com:

[snip]

"For you ze vor iz ovah."

Then again Rat Patrol's bad guy was always Lt. Dietrich played by Hans
Gudegast.

Ya gotta wonder who in the Afrika Korps chain of command Leutnant
Dietrich had cheesed off.

IBM

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"Dav1936531" wrote in message
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From: "Kevin Brooks"


Up until you mentioned the bipod, you had me thinking M-21. But I don't
recall
seeing any bipods being used with M-21's (and I seriously doubt any of the
ones
that were at one *distant* time available for M-14's are still around). I
guess
it could be an M-21 with a bipod, but I have never seen one so equipped
(note
that the M-24 bolt action replacment does have a bipod included in the
kit).
OTOH, are you sure you were maybe not gettting a squirrely view of a M-249
(which does indeed have a bipod) with a 30-round magazine in place of the
usual
drum mag? I am having a problem getting around the whole sniper-with-M21
thing;
I had a sniper-type attend a school with me way back in 1995-96, and I can
rememeber his telling me they had already replaced the M-21 with the M-24
in
his ARNG light infantry battalion (and it was not an "enhanced brigade"
unit,
either, so their priority of fill would have been about the same as the
rest of
the Guard units).
Brooks

The pic was on the AP wire feed from Iraq here on AOL. Unfortunately, the
articles and pics expire after a given period of time and disappear from
the
feed so I cannot now call the picture back up and rellok at it.

The guy definitely had some variant of the M-14. I have wanted one of
these for
a long time and recognize it. It was not a bolt action. It was not an
M-249.

I could have incorrectly recalled that his rifle was equiped with a bipod
though. But it certainly was some type of the basic M-14 and had a
telescope,
and I seem to recall a bipod.....but I saw the pic probably a month and a
half
or so ago, and my memory isn't what it used to be.
Dave

I know I posted on this before, but I'll repeat incase it got sucked
up in to the great bit bucket in the sky. Yes, at the very minimum
I can guaranty that one NYAG unit currently attached to the 1st ID
in Iraq have M-14s as issued equipment. They are issued to unit
"Marksmen" in addition to which ever flavor of M-16 / M-4 that
infantryman is issued. Marksmen are not rated snipers but provide
a bit of precision in a spray & pray world.

Too bad it wasnt a head shot.


"Andrew" wrote in message
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http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg

"John Keeney" wrote in message
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"Dav1936531" wrote in message
...
From: "Kevin Brooks"


Up until you mentioned the bipod, you had me thinking M-21. But I don't
recall
seeing any bipods being used with M-21's (and I seriously doubt any of
the
ones
that were at one *distant* time available for M-14's are still around).
I
guess
it could be an M-21 with a bipod, but I have never seen one so equipped
(note
that the M-24 bolt action replacment does have a bipod included in the
kit).
OTOH, are you sure you were maybe not gettting a squirrely view of a
M-249
(which does indeed have a bipod) with a 30-round magazine in place of
the
usual
drum mag? I am having a problem getting around the whole sniper-with-M21
thing;
I had a sniper-type attend a school with me way back in 1995-96, and I
can
rememeber his telling me they had already replaced the M-21 with the
M-24
in
his ARNG light infantry battalion (and it was not an "enhanced brigade"
unit,
either, so their priority of fill would have been about the same as the
rest of
the Guard units).
Brooks

The pic was on the AP wire feed from Iraq here on AOL. Unfortunately,
the
articles and pics expire after a given period of time and disappear from
the
feed so I cannot now call the picture back up and rellok at it.

The guy definitely had some variant of the M-14. I have wanted one of
these for
a long time and recognize it. It was not a bolt action. It was not an
M-249.

I could have incorrectly recalled that his rifle was equiped with a
bipod
though. But it certainly was some type of the basic M-14 and had a
telescope,
and I seem to recall a bipod.....but I saw the pic probably a month and
a
half
or so ago, and my memory isn't what it used to be.
Dave

I know I posted on this before, but I'll repeat incase it got sucked
up in to the great bit bucket in the sky. Yes, at the very minimum
I can guaranty that one NYAG unit currently attached to the 1st ID
in Iraq have M-14s as issued equipment. They are issued to unit
"Marksmen" in addition to which ever flavor of M-16 / M-4 that
infantryman is issued. Marksmen are not rated snipers but provide
a bit of precision in a spray & pray world.

I'd be very surprised if they are carrying M14's. The M-14 offers danged
little in terms of "precision" versus the M16A2 in the likely ironsight
range fan (the A2 is plenty accurate oput to the 300 meter range). I guess
they could have some old M-21's (which unlike the M-14 have a telescopic
sight)--but which combat unit of the NYARNG is attached to the 1st ID? ISTR
that the NYARNG 42nd ID(M) HQ is indeed deploying to Iraq later this year
(or early next year?).

Brooks