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Splurging on Your Plane
My Garmin 430 installation had similar installation costs. As for the C150,
the GPS antenna would need to be removed and the hole patched and the CDI removed/replaced as well. All this times two so that's at least $9K lost in the transaction. Marco "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com... But in his defence he knew the C150 was just a "starter plane" and after he'd got some hours on it was going to buy up, and move the 430s to the new aircraft. Ah, I didn't recall that. When I've looked at putting one 430 in my plane I've been quoted between $4K to $5K just for installation. Maybe its somewhat less in a C150 but thats still a lot of dead presidents. -Robert Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:04:46 -0500, "Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com
wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message roups.com... 3) Probably the most important thing, your plane is a known quantity. Most of us are buying planes that are 20 to 30 years old. At that age there can be a lot of gottchas. The risk of a gottcha with the plane you know well is less than something you've never seen. There are many gottchas that don't get caught on even the most complete inspection. Assuming a $70K purchase price on the Arrow, the math comes to over $240K total. Quite a number of 2003+ glass-cockpit Cirrus SR-20's for that price with comparable performance and payload. Maybe he doesn't like the Cirruses but the options are wide open if he knew what he had to spend (that's a big "if"). Very possibly could have been just a case of the update bug gone wild. Plus he won't get $240k when he goes to sell the Arrow. Meanwhile, the Cirrus would hold its resale fairly well... But it seems that for the owner of the Arrow in question, finances are not a concern (he was employee #2 at AutoCad), and he is doing this for fun... As a relative comparison, aso.com lists the following Arrows... A 1999 Arrow III with a similar set of avonics to the aforementinoed Arrow, and only 1270TT, price = $189k. A 1978 Turbo Arrow with similar avionics = $144k -Nathan |
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The FAA known ice also means that aircraft was designed such that
things like fuel vents, etc are vented in such a way that they don't ice up. Its more than just the deicing system. And, as I understand it, the FAA has really tightened up on "known icing certification since the Mooney 231 was certified. From what I've heard, it (and many other planes) would no longer pass muster under current standards. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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I estimate it took about 8 years to get all the gottchas out of my
Tri-Pacer. No real surprises after that. -- Gene Seibel Gene & Sue's Aeroplanes - http://pad39a.com/gene/planes.html Because we fly, we envy no one. |
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"Nathan Young" wrote in message ... Plus he won't get $240k when he goes to sell the Arrow. Meanwhile, the Cirrus would hold its resale fairly well... But it seems that for the owner of the Arrow in question, finances are not a concern (he was employee #2 at AutoCad), and he is doing this for fun... I think it's safe to say that once you start using the word "splurge" when describing your aircraft updating activities, resale value ceases to become a concern. As an aircraft owner, there is an enormous sense of satisfaction that comes out of updating your plane. The main sanity check for most is the good 'ole wallet. Without that fiscal check, well, sky's the limit I suppose. Marco As a relative comparison, aso.com lists the following Arrows... A 1999 Arrow III with a similar set of avonics to the aforementinoed Arrow, and only 1270TT, price = $189k. A 1978 Turbo Arrow with similar avionics = $144k -Nathan Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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One of the few flying P-38's just changed hands... That might be an
extreme in personal aircraft - especially in a dollars invested per likely hours of flight per year... But, there are folks who fly personal jets, which might be considered extreme... Then there are the few who rented a ride to the space station at $20M a pop... How, extreme do you want to get? denny |
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And, as I understand it, the FAA has really tightened up on "known
icing certification since the Mooney 231 was certified. True, but that doesn't effect existing planes. In fact, the weeping wings system that Mooney uses is still in use by Mooney to produce known-ice singles. The only change since original is a POH update mandated by an AD that says you should attempt to get out of ice. The nice thing about the weeping wings is that is protects a lot more of the wing than the small area boots protect. -Robert |
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I estimate it took about 8 years to get all the gottchas out of my
Tri-Pacer. No real surprises after that. I'm in the same boat. Makes me not want to buy up. Makes me want to upgrade my existing plane. -Robert |
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"Denny" wrote in message
ups.com... One of the few flying P-38's just changed hands... That might be an extreme in personal aircraft - especially in a dollars invested per likely hours of flight per year... But, there are folks who fly personal jets, which might be considered extreme... Then there are the few who rented a ride to the space station at $20M a pop... How, extreme do you want to get? I'm thinking just as far as upgrades. The thing with the P-38 and many of the jets is that they offer something either unique or a level of speed that requires a certain "entrance fee." I was thinking more of the stuff that private owners add on to an existing airframe. When you can compare a $550K Piper 6X to a $150K 1977 Cherokee 6 with $400K worht of upgrades, the Cherokee makes for a more "interesting" story. Marco Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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However, there are a lot of well priced Mooney 231's out
there that have their FAA approved known ice systems still installed and working. I was recently looking for a Mooney 231/252/262 with some sort of de-ice and didn't find even one for sale. There were a few that I considered adding TKS to, but by then I was getting close to the price of a Mooney TLS/Bravo. So I just bought a Bravo with known ice. --- Ken Reed N9124X |
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