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"John Galban" wrote in message om... I've flown and spun 150/160s that were approved for spins in the Utility Category. Let me be more exact. The PA-28-150 and PA-28-160 are NOT certficated in the utility category, hence no spins. The PA-28-151 and PA-28-161 are certificated in the utility category. The PA-28-140, -180, -181 are certificated in the utility category For those models that are certificated with for utility category operations. 1. You have to get the CG in the utility envelope. 2. You have to not have the 2150 gross weight increase.on the -140. 3. There is a serial number limit on the -180 for utility category operations. 4. You can only use the two front seats. |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... "John Galban" wrote in message om... I've flown and spun 150/160s that were approved for spins in the Utility Category. Let me be more exact. The PA-28-150 and PA-28-160 are NOT certficated in the utility category, hence no spins. The PA-28-151 and PA-28-161 are certificated in the utility category. The PA-28-140, -180, -181 are certificated in the utility category For those models that are certificated with for utility category operations. 1. You have to get the CG in the utility envelope. 2. You have to not have the 2150 gross weight increase.on the -140. 3. There is a serial number limit on the -180 for utility category operations. 4. You can only use the two front seats. Oh, and by the way, I forgot one important thing. If your PA-28 can be operated in the utility category, it will be placarded as such (with the gross weight for that category). That's perhaps the easiest way to tell (provided your aircraft is airworthy). |
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Ron Natalie wrote:
: I've flown and spun 150/160s that were approved for spins in the : Utility Category. : Let me be more exact. The PA-28-150 and PA-28-160 are NOT : certficated in the utility category, hence no spins. The PA-28-151 : and PA-28-161 are certificated in the utility category. Hrmm... sounds illegal to me then? : The PA-28-140, -180, -181 are certificated in the utility category : For those models that are certificated with for utility category operations. : 1. You have to get the CG in the utility envelope. Of course. : 2. You have to not have the 2150 gross weight increase.on the -140. Probably not too many of them left. : 3. There is a serial number limit on the -180 for utility category operations. Probably the old (non-clamshell cowling) version? : 4. You can only use the two front seats. Of course Mine need not legally apply since the engine upgrade expressly says Normal only. Thanks for the info though... I would think it's pretty much a legal issue. The important thing would be to keep it loaded in the Utility CG range. Other than that there's no real difference between the airframes. -Cory -- ************************************************** *********************** * The prime directive of Linux: * * - learn what you don't know, * * - teach what you do. * * (Just my 20 USm$) * ************************************************** *********************** |
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2. You have to not have the 2150 gross weight increase.on the -140. ??? You sure about that? The Checkerbird's paperwork says it has a max gross weight of 2150 when operated in the normal category, 1950 in the utility category. It has both the original placard on the panel, plus the AFM text stating that spins are an approved aerobatic manuever when operated in the utility category with no aft baggage pax. I'm far too chicken to try spinning it however. ;-) |
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"Neal" wrote in message ... 2. You have to not have the 2150 gross weight increase.on the -140. ??? You sure about that? The Checkerbird's paperwork says it has a max gross weight of 2150 when operated in the normal category, 1950 in the utility category. It has both the original placard on the panel, plus the AFM text stating that spins are an approved aerobatic manuever when operated in the utility category with no aft baggage pax. I'm far too chicken to try spinning it however. ;-) Same here! My 2150 pound g.w. 1966 Cherokee has the same placard on the panel. It also has four seats. I pulled out the flight manual, also. The airplane flight manual maneuvers section lists entry speed for spins, steep turns, lazy eights and chandelles. The Placards section has this: "For spin recovery, use full rudder against spin, followed immediately by forward wheel". I also looked at my copy of the type certificate and saw nothing prohibiting spins. -- Joe Schneider 8437R (Remove No Spam to Reply) X-No-archive: yes |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message om...
Let me be more exact. The PA-28-150 and PA-28-160 are NOT certficated in the utility category, hence no spins. The PA-28-151 and PA-28-161 are certificated in the utility category. The PA-28-140, -180, -181 are certificated in the utility category For those models that are certificated with for utility category operations. 1. You have to get the CG in the utility envelope. 2. You have to not have the 2150 gross weight increase.on the -140. 3. There is a serial number limit on the -180 for utility category operations. 4. You can only use the two front seats. Very interesting! Now I'm going to have to go back and check my logbook. I was pretty sure they were 150/160s that I'd spun (and now I'm not). They had the placard with manuever entry speeds, including spins, in the utility category. Odd that the 150/160 would not be certified in the utility category and the -180 is. They're basically the same airframe. Where did you get the above info? TCDS? John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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"John Galban" wrote in message om... Odd that the 150/160 would not be certified in the utility category and the -180 is. They're basically the same airframe. Where did you get the above info? TCDS? Yep. |
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