"bush flying" in the suburbs?

"Casey Wilson" wrote in message news:%vQtd.755$Qp.517@trnddc01...
The old man and N2310D disappeared into the mountains somewhere between Anchorage and North Way. Every time I drive
into San Berdoo I remember that night.



We need more like him today...

On 7 Dec 2004 05:28:01 -0800, wrote:

However, check your local laws, most states have some rules about using
public roads as your own personal airstrip.

Some few years ago I was heli-skiing out of Valemount BC. This was
before the operator built a lodge; he was using a commercial motel.
The Huey parked overnight in a circle out front.

I flew up to Valemount in the back of a Piper Cub (J-4 or J-5, can't
rememer which). The local "FBO" came out to fuel it from a 55 gallon
drum in the back of a pickup. However long the airstrip was, it wasn't
long enough for the next plane to bring a client in. That was a
private twin of some sort.

So the Mounties closed off the highway in front of the Valemount
Motel. The plane landed and taxied into the motel parking lot. The
Mounties behaved as if this were all in the day's work.

Presumably the couple took off again the same way. They were from
Texas, and the girlfriend wore dark glasses and a shawl like Jackie
Onassis.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:25:30 GMT, zatatime wrote:

In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,
which puts the kabosh on your plan for this state.

And no water landings, right?

Damian Delgaizo at Andover Flight Academy was planning to put floats
on his Husky (amphibious, presumably). As I understood it, he would
have to do the actual training across the state line in PA!


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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:04:44 -0900, "PJ Hunt"
wrote:

So you CAN go alone or take your friends, as long as you don't charge them
or receive a reward, and land in all the fields you want without prior
permission from the 'commission. Of course you would want to approve it
with the land owner first.

There are indeed private fields in NJ. Of course they may pre-date the
ordinance quoted.

I landed at several such when I took Damian Delgaizo's bush-flying
course.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:35:58 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:25:30 GMT, zatatime wrote:

In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,
which puts the kabosh on your plan for this state.

And no water landings, right?

Damian Delgaizo at Andover Flight Academy was planning to put floats
on his Husky (amphibious, presumably). As I understood it, he would
have to do the actual training across the state line in PA!


This is correct. Damian was going to do this after someone else with
a Lake Amphib left the area. She had to use lakes in PA only as she
could not land on any open water other than designated seaplane bases
like the one on the Hudson.

HTH.
z

(Does Damian use any places to land other than approved landing
facilities for his other program? He'd know enough farmers out there
that he would if he could, and it might shed some light on the
original statement above.)

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:37:48 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:

There are indeed private fields in NJ. Of course they may pre-date the
ordinance quoted.

Private airfields / strips, or just regular farm fields?

z

Cub Driver wrote:

And no water landings, right?

There used to be a private seaplane base on the Raritan river just below New
Brunswick. The guy who owned the property kept a Cessna with amphibs there. He
operated from the river during the summer.

A few years ago, he was talking about selling the property. Someone at Kupper
(probably John Price) was telling me that the license to operate aircraft there
would expire unless he sold it to another seaplane owner.

Even if that's gone, there are seaplane bases on the Raritan Bay at Atlantic
Highlands, on the Navasink river above Rumson, on the inland waterway near
Lakewood, at Toms River, and at Manahawkin. Though a few of those are miles
inland, all of them are on tidal waters, and may be beyond the control of the
State. There're also bases on Greenwood lake and the Delaware, but both of those
are on State borders - I can't tell for sure if they're in NJ.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:01:54 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

There're also bases on Greenwood lake and the Delaware, but both of those
are on State borders - I can't tell for sure if they're in NJ.

The one on the Delaware is in PA, I don't know about Greenwood Lake.
I also didn't know of all the bases in south Jersey either. I don't
remember seeing them on a sectional. Unfortunately PA is closer to
Andover than those places so the flight school Cub Driver is talking
about would still be better off going to PA.

Thanks for the info!
z

zatatime wrote:

I also didn't know of all the bases in south Jersey either. I don't
remember seeing them on a sectional.

They're all on the NY and DC sectionals and all are shown as private.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:19:42 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

Rich asked for a definition of "approved". That's what Gig provided. The section
he quoted does prohibit commercial operations, but no claim has been made that
that's the entire law in New Jersey. Perhaps "zatatime" can provide a reference
to the statute that prohibits other operations?

I can't provide a statute, but around 20 years ago while flying the
"slot" I emergency landed my T-Craft on a Hudson River pier (in
Weehawken, on the Jersey side). The emergency landing was OK as far
as both the FAA and state were concerned, but I got in all sorts of
trouble when I flew it out again the next day after the problem was
solved. In the end the feds admittited I hadn't violated any FAR's
and the state aviation people (who actually were very reasonable about
it) decided not to charge me as long as I promised to never land there
again.

-Dana


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